AI Torpedo Detection in Baffles

MBot · 06-15-17, 08:51 AM

What are your experiences with shooting at subs from within their baffles? I have observed multiple times that AI subs start evasive actions against torpedoes in their baffles, despite them being not enabled/passive and the target having no towed array.

Is it possible that the AI is detecting torpedoes in their baffles or might the AI share information between subs?

ikalugin · 06-15-17, 09:08 AM

all captains in the game are espers who, under the right conditions, know exactly where the torps are and what they do.

Shadow · 06-15-17, 04:44 PM

I'm under the impression enemy vessels share information. Unless the sub in question was alone, or her friends were too far away, it's theoretically possible another Soviet platform tipped her off about the torpedo.

I'm not sure how communication with fully submerged submarines works (if at all), but that's another story.

shipkiller1 · 06-19-17, 05:00 PM

In the real world, almost all submarines have some form/type of acoustic intercept system to alert on specific frequencies, mainly Active. The hydrophones can detect an active energy pulse in the baffles. Passive weapons would be very iffy...

ollie1983 · 06-19-17, 06:22 PM

Depending on the frequency of the sonar in question, you can hear active sonar pings with the human ear quite clearly, I am not sure at what frequency the sonar in torpedos operates at however.

Lanzfeld · 06-19-17, 06:26 PM

Yes but the AI actually the detects PASSIVE torpedos in the baffles every time.

shipkiller1 · 06-19-17, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie1983

Depending on the frequency of the sonar in question, you can hear active sonar pings with the human ear quite clearly, I am not sure at what frequency the sonar in torpedos operates at however.

You are correct, but we are talking about torpedos, not low freq mainframe sonar systems.

In all my operations (in the real world) I have almost never aurally heard a US torpedo, 20 seconds after launch...

In the baffles (deep in the baffles, not on the edges), a passive torpedo should not be heard until it is right on top of you. MK48 ADCAPS are friggen QUIET.... almost undetectable outside 2K or less.

That being said, a vigilant US towed array broadband operator should should be able to detect a torpedo in the baffles. I cannot say for the adversary....

Besides, in the real world, you almost never shoot a weapon passively. A very specific set of parameters are needed for this type of tactic.

It's just a game anyway....

06-15-17, 08:51 AM	#1
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	AI Torpedo Detection in Baffles What are your experiences with shooting at subs from within their baffles? I have observed multiple times that AI subs start evasive actions against torpedoes in their baffles, despite them being not enabled/passive and the target having no towed array. Is it possible that the AI is detecting torpedoes in their baffles or might the AI share information between subs?

06-15-17, 09:08 AM	#2
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	all captains in the game are espers who, under the right conditions, know exactly where the torps are and what they do. __________________ Grumpy as always.

06-15-17, 04:44 PM	#3
Shadow Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 112 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 2	I'm under the impression enemy vessels share information. Unless the sub in question was alone, or her friends were too far away, it's theoretically possible another Soviet platform tipped her off about the torpedo. I'm not sure how communication with fully submerged submarines works (if at all), but that's another story.

06-19-17, 05:00 PM	#4
shipkiller1 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 136 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	In the real world, almost all submarines have some form/type of acoustic intercept system to alert on specific frequencies, mainly Active. The hydrophones can detect an active energy pulse in the baffles. Passive weapons would be very iffy...

06-19-17, 06:22 PM	#5
ollie1983 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 45 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Depending on the frequency of the sonar in question, you can hear active sonar pings with the human ear quite clearly, I am not sure at what frequency the sonar in torpedos operates at however.

06-19-17, 06:26 PM	#6
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Yes but the AI actually the detects PASSIVE torpedos in the baffles every time.