Tension between Russia and USA

[mapuc]

After have read this article and more about this tension between these two, I thought that this is should have its own thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lobal-war.html

Russia is ordering all of its officials to fly home any relatives living abroad amid heightened tensions over the prospect of global war, it has been claimed.

I hope they will find a diplomatic solution, so this doesn't turn into a real crisis.

If it turn into a crisis-please change headlines to crisis instead of tension

Markus

[Catfish]

The tension has risen since 1995, when it became clear that the NATO would not stay out of former soviet block countries - violating treaties that b.t.w. were prepositions for the unification of Germany.

Russia and especially Putin are no angels, but what we/the West/the Good do is almost ridiculous. You really must be a whole-hearted atlanticist to believe what the media tell you in Germany.
The latter is no wonder, almost all media anchormen and politicians are members of that club here.
I guess it really makes sense to have trade and treaties over a 3000-mile ocean rather than to come to grips with nearby Russia.

[Oberon]

It won't amount to anything, and if it does then it'll fix our problems the old fashioned way.

[Bilge_Rat]

Russia Reads US Bluster as Sign of War

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/1...s-sign-of-war/


as usual our politicians are totally clueless to how close we are to midnight...

[eddie]

Looks like they are going to sit down and have a chat finally.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...eze/ar-AAiRFCT

[Skybird]

Once tensions feel like in autumn 1983 again, I will agree to be concerned again.

In that autumn, I was 16 back then, the world escaped global nuclear war TWICE by just a hairbreadth. Not before many years later most of us who already were living back then learned how close our encounter with armageddon was in those weeks. First a malfunctioning Sovjet satellite reporting an American missile launch, and then, just a few weeks later after that was resolved by a Russian Lieutenant-Colonel, a misinterpretation by the Sovjets of NATO exercise Able Archer, leading to Sovjet nuclear bombers armed with live nuclear bombs and standing with running engines on the runways, and German cities being 10 minutes away from annihilation.

Compared to that autumn's secret events, what there is today in tensions is relatively boring.

It is events like these two almost-desasters that make me so extrenely pessimistic about our chances to get away with another nuclear arms race in the religiously upheated and highly irrational ME. Compared to that outlook, I prefer to get the Sovjets back. Different to some rleigous idiots in the ME, the Sowjets never wanted to commit suicide for nothing.

[mapuc]

Not so long ago an expert on Russian poltics said the West had lost its momentum in foreign politics in both Syria and before that in Ukraine. This expert said the blame was on Obama he is a very weak President regarding foreign politics

Then something about a political vacuum that Putin have exploited to the full.

Markus

[Oberon]

It's always Obamas fault, that's rule number one. You see, if you get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for trying to drag the US into another war, but if you don't get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for being weak.

Just launch the damn nukes and get it over with already.

[Onkel Neal]

Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

Clownish, yet... alive and prospering in Putin's Russia.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It's always Obamas fault, that's rule number one. You see, if you get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for trying to drag the US into another war, but if you don't get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for being weak.

Just launch the damn nukes and get it over with already.

Ain't that the common rule-always blame it on the President of US.

He also said or he toke an example where Obama had drawn a red line and if Assad crossed this then all hell would come upon Assad-Assad has crossed this line several times and nothing have happened and this such be one of the factor that Putin knows we in the west are weak.
We have it in our mouth, as he said.

Markus

[Platapus]

Remember that the US has to have an enemy. Our MIC depends on it. Actual our economy as a whole depends on it.

Terrorism is not working out and besides you don't need high dollar equipment development for fight terrorists.

China is not cooperating as they are pretty much sticking to their own waters and spending their time making money

North Korea is still the JV of international threats so no funding there.

That leaves the ole reliable Soviet Union/Russia. Always good for a few trillion in new development.

[Prometheus]

don't be afraid folks everything gonna be alright

[Skybird]

Obama certainly encouraged too many of the too wrong guys in the ME too much, and mistook adapting a weak own stand for encouring the opponent to communicate, and pissed quite some of his former allies: real one and pretended ones as well. Israel on my mind, Saudi Arabia as well. But he has made the Persians strong.

Putin is Sovjet style, old school. Sowjets understand only one language, and the whole Eastern sphere ticks like that: power. Ellaborated intellectualism is not what scores you points here, but showing what a big thing you have.

No, Obama has not understood this at all. Not one bit. The importance of reason as a factor forming history, often gets dramatically overestimated. So did Obama. And not just in overseas affairs, but at home as well.

I thought it could not become more stupid in foreign politics than with George W. Bush. 8 years of Obama have proven me wrong - it seems its always possible to get even worse. And now comes eiether Clinton or Trump. Fan. Tas. Tic.

[Bilge_Rat]

I'm an Anti-Putin Russian and Clinton Makes Me Nervous

It’s easy to agree with this “democracy good, dictatorship bad” approach, but harder to imagine what it will mean in practice. In Ukraine, for example, trying to thwart Putin could mean buying the line President Petro Poroshenko is trying to sell to the West -- that his opportunistic, thoroughly post-Soviet government is a beacon of freedom and a shield against the Russian plague. Poroshenko’s fondest wish is to get lethal weapons from the U.S., but granting it would probably lead to an even more destructive and deadly phase of the now-frozen conflict. What will the U.S. do if Ukraine is overrun by Russian troops as a result? Neither Clinton nor anyone else in Washington has even discussed this possibility in public.

In Syria, President Bashar al-Assad is obviously a dictator, and he’s tight with Putin to boot. Clinton had urged President Barack Obama to be more resolute in removing him by aiding the Syrian opposition. What if President Clinton uses force more directly against Assad? Will Putin shrink from some kind of military confrontation with the U.S.? I fear not: Russian generals have been itching for such a test for the last few years, since Russia has rearmed and reformed its military. And if the confrontation occurs, consequences will be even more unpredictable than from arming Ukraine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...kes-me-nervous

The Russians are here to stay, either we make a deal with them on practical terms or we just keep pushing them...many in Washington seem to think that the Russians will always blink. Personally, I would rather not gamble with a country that can destroy the entire planet 10 times over.

[Prometheus]