Again crucification in Saudi-Arabia.

[Catfish]

"The stunning human-rights abuses of a U.S. ally" or so they title in the news.

Not that the rest of the west including (among others) Great Britain and Germany do not sell weapons, and help S. Arabia where they can.
Because of oil, oil, and oil. it is my well-read belief that any war down there was started and executed because of oil.
And we love our dictators, as long as they keep delivering oil. To hell with human rights.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...n-nimr/407221/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/...future-n431536

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/crucifixion...espots-1520127

Typical of the secretive world of Saudi Arabia, and its 'Specialised Criminal Court', the scope of his 'crime' has never been defined.


Whenever you think the world might become a better place, you read about the BS of those wackos. In my NOT SO HUMBLE opinion they are not much better than IS.

Originally Posted by Catfish

"The stunning human-rights abuses of a U.S. ally" or so they title in the news.

Haha, that's cute, it implies that the U.S. would respect human rights or would be in a position to judge countries that do not.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"The stunning human-rights abuses of a U.S. ally" or so they title in the news.

Not that the rest of the west including (among others) Great Britain and Germany do not sell weapons, and help S. Arabia where they can.
Because of oil, oil, and oil. it is my well-read belief that any war down there was started and executed because of oil.
And we love our dictators, as long as they keep delivering oil. To hell with human rights.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...n-nimr/407221/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/...future-n431536

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/crucifixion...espots-1520127

Typical of the secretive world of Saudi Arabia, and its 'Specialised Criminal Court', the scope of his 'crime' has never been defined.


Whenever you think the world might become a better place, you read about the BS of those wackos. In my NOT SO HUMBLE opinion they are not much better than IS.

Barbaric, yes. But if you ask me the wacko was the one who got uppity. Take your chances I guess, I mean its not like he or his relatives didn't know this could happen if they got caught. Additionally I think the Saudis will at least lop his head of first so he doesn't suffer.

Also what does this have to do with the U.S.?

[Torplexed]

Well if this seminal event at the hands of Saudi nationals didn't break our relationship with Saudi Arabia, apparently nothing ever will--

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Catfish

And we love our dictators, as long as they keep delivering oil. To hell with human rights.

Given our recent track record of Islamic blow-back when we attempt regime-change of said beloved dictators I don't except much change in this department. As medieval as the House of Saud is, there aren't exactly any Wahhabi moderates waiting in the wings.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Barbaric, yes. But if you ask me the wacko was the one who got uppity. Take your chances I guess, I mean its not like he or his relatives didn't know this could happen if they got caught.

quite the cynic

and fwiw, what this has got to do with the US

QUESTION: Yesterday, Saudi Arabia was named to head the Human Rights Council, and today I think they announced they are about to behead a 21-year-old Shia activist named Muhammed al-Nimr. Are you aware of that?

MR. TONER: I’m not aware of the trial that you—or the verdict—death sentence.

QUESTION: Well, apparently, he was arrested when [he] was 17 years old and kept in juvenile detention, then moved on. And now, he’s been scheduled to be executed.

MR. TONER: Right. I mean, we’ve talked about our concerns about some of the capital punishment cases in Saudi Arabia in our Human Rights Report, but I don’t have any more to add to it.

QUESTION: So you—

QUESTION: Well, how about a reaction to them heading the council?

MR. TONER: Again, I don’t have any comment, don’t have any reaction to it. I mean, frankly, it’s—we would welcome it. We’re close allies. If we—

QUESTION: Do you think that they’re an appropriate choice given—I mean, how many pages is—does Saudi Arabia get in the Human Rights Report annually?

MR. TONER: I can’t give that off the top of my head, Matt.

QUESTION: I can’t either, but let’s just say that there’s a lot to write about Saudi Arabia and human rights in that report. I’m just wondering if you [think] that it’s appropriate for them to have a leadership position.

MR. TONER: We have a strong dialogue, obviously a partnership with Saudi Arabia that spans, obviously, many issues. We talk about human-rights concerns with them. As to this leadership role, we hope that it’s an occasion for them to look at human rights around the world but also within their own borders.

I know he probably can't say anything else, because diplomacy, but damn...

[Betonov]

By the way, I’m sure that Saudi Arabia will itself benefit from membership on the Human Rights Council. It will no doubt learn new and exciting torture techniques from its fellow members, some of whom might be able, for reasons of public relations, to guide Saudi Arabia away from crucifixion, and toward less outre forms of punishment.

I'd laugh, but it's a bit too true

[Platapus]

I like how the press changes their perception of a 17 year old.

In some contexts (this one included) he is a "child". In other contexts he is a man.

It all depends on the spin the press wants to put on it.

[Oberon]

^
Black humor is like something too eat... not everyone has it.

[Oberon]

Can't say it's wrong though. But that's modern life for you, strange bedfellows and hypocrisy.
Then again, we looked the other way through most of South Africas apartheid era because we liked the shiny stuff they dug up for us.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Well if this seminal event at the hands of Saudi nationals didn't break our relationship with Saudi Arabia, apparently nothing ever will--

It's a shame we didn't set off one nuke in Saudi Arabia the very next day, hell I'd have given them warning so they could clear out. We'd never be messed with again. We don't need them anymore, we can frack. We're a stronger nation when we're using our own oil anyway.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by em2nought

It's a shame we didn't set off one nuke in Saudi Arabia the very next day, hell I'd have given them warning so they could clear out. We'd never be messed with again. We don't need them anymore, we can frack. We're a stronger nation when we're using our own oil anyway.

You couldn't frack in 2001, one nuke in Saudi Arabia would have put you back into Amish territory. Even now, with the fracking, the prices are controlled by Saudi Arabia. That nice cheap oil prices we have at the moment? Saudi Arabia trying to make sure that no-one buys Iranian oil.
Of course, the key question is whether fracking will bring self-sustainability in oil and how long such levels can be sustained. I think that fracking alone is not the answer, fracking whilst moving towards a post-oil based infrastructure and society is the key, but that means upsetting a lot of powerful companies so it will take a very long time to do.

Originally Posted by em2nought

It's a shame we didn't set off one nuke in Saudi Arabia the very next day, hell I'd have given them warning so they could clear out. We'd never be messed with again. We don't need them anymore, we can frack. We're a stronger nation when we're using our own oil anyway.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Oberon

You couldn't frack in 2001, one nuke in Saudi Arabia would have put you back into Amish territory.

You're correct, I guess revenge is best served cold.