'Good Kill' film US 2014, in german TV in ten minutes

Catfish · 07-27-15, 02:51 PM

Film about the drone war with Etan Hawke, looks interesting:
http://www.zdf.de/ZDF/zdfportal/prog...9?doDispatch=1
Anyone saw this?

07-27-15, 02:56 PM

Yes, I did.
Absolute garbage in my opinion.
Only good thing about it is a little more light being shed onto the whole "drone situation", as most still have no clue how ruthless that program is.
However, the movie is hardly a documentary and for me not possible to take serious.

Edit: My favorite part is probably how Ethan's character complains, bitches, moans and sobs about how he feels like a sissy for killing people from the other end of the world via drones and laser guided weapons.
He sooo want to get back into his F-16, killing the Taliban from untouchable 30k feet with laser guided munitions, because that takes so much more courage considering the combat scenario... duh.

Catfish · 07-27-15, 03:07 PM

If it delivers the message that people are killed based on metadata and behaviour (and not evicence), it can't be too bad

07-27-15, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

If it delivers the message that people are killed based on metadata and behaviour (and not evicence), it can't be too bad

Yes it does that, which is why I didn't destroy it completely on Imdb.
When the trailer appeared and I learned about it, I was happy to see someone putting the topic into focus.
However, I was very disappointed because the topic is quite important to me.

But watch it and see for yourself!

mapuc · 07-27-15, 03:19 PM

Thanks for the information-are watching the movie right now on my TV-missed the first 3 minutes.

Markus

Catfish · 07-28-15, 07:00 AM

Well it was of course still too "weak", in a way. The real problem of the main character seems to be he cannot fly his beloved F-16s anymore, but maybe something like this is what is the real concern of most, and not the killing of innocent. Mention of doublespeak is there, though: Eliminating a threat, neutralizing, targeting, it is never bugging or killing.
I do not buy the critical officers though, i take it most just do what they are told. Code and all that.

But kills based on patterns not evidence, and certain strikes done because of getting direct orders from the christs in action (lol), who again get theirs from the government.. believable.
No one is guilty, all get orders and follow them, despite knowing what they do is wrong. But since any responsibility can be shifted to someone else/higher in the chain of command, they all carry on.

There are good reasons of course, to use drones. But i wonder when it will be common to use it against anyone who is suspected to be an 'insurgent', while insurgency and patterns that "prove" that, are being defined in the US. And soon, all will have drones. I wonder what happened if Turkey's Erdoghan would have his own.

But not too bad altogether, especially when compared to other films about the "war on terror" done with drones. Read: None.

07-27-15, 02:51 PM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	'Good Kill' film US 2014, in german TV in ten minutes Film about the drone war with Etan Hawke, looks interesting: http://www.zdf.de/ZDF/zdfportal/prog...9?doDispatch=1 Anyone saw this? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-27-15, 02:56 PM	#2
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yes, I did. Absolute garbage in my opinion. Only good thing about it is a little more light being shed onto the whole "drone situation", as most still have no clue how ruthless that program is. However, the movie is hardly a documentary and for me not possible to take serious. Edit: My favorite part is probably how Ethan's character complains, bitches, moans and sobs about how he feels like a sissy for killing people from the other end of the world via drones and laser guided weapons. He sooo want to get back into his F-16, killing the Taliban from untouchable 30k feet with laser guided munitions, because that takes so much more courage considering the combat scenario... duh. Last edited by Nippelspanner; 07-27-15 at 03:03 PM.

07-27-15, 03:07 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	If it delivers the message that people are killed based on metadata and behaviour (and not evicence), it can't be too bad __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-28-15, 07:00 AM	#6
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well it was of course still too "weak", in a way. The real problem of the main character seems to be he cannot fly his beloved F-16s anymore, but maybe something like this is what is the real concern of most, and not the killing of innocent. Mention of doublespeak is there, though: Eliminating a threat, neutralizing, targeting, it is never bugging or killing. I do not buy the critical officers though, i take it most just do what they are told. Code and all that. But kills based on patterns not evidence, and certain strikes done because of getting direct orders from the christs in action (lol), who again get theirs from the government.. believable. No one is guilty, all get orders and follow them, despite knowing what they do is wrong. But since any responsibility can be shifted to someone else/higher in the chain of command, they all carry on. There are good reasons of course, to use drones. But i wonder when it will be common to use it against anyone who is suspected to be an 'insurgent', while insurgency and patterns that "prove" that, are being defined in the US. And soon, all will have drones. I wonder what happened if Turkey's Erdoghan would have his own. But not too bad altogether, especially when compared to other films about the "war on terror" done with drones. Read: None. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-27-15, 03:19 PM	#5
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the information-are watching the movie right now on my TV-missed the first 3 minutes. Markus