Torpedoes

Scarredclown · 04-11-15, 09:26 AM

I've done my first mission and returned to base safely. A first... I check to reload my torpedoes and have the choice between mark 10 and 14. Why would i choose mark 10 ? Arent mark 14 superior ?

CCIP · 04-11-15, 09:36 AM

Historically, the Mark 14 was fatally flawed (severe depth errors, occasional gyro errors, faulty detonators) and basically did not work until they were fixed in 1943. The Mark 10 did not have the same detonator problems and was much more reliable. The Mark 14 was better than the Mark 10 on paper, but in practice was completely broken and useless due to the BuOrd's negligence in testing the torpedoes. Unless you're playing with RFB though, those errors in SH4 are reduced in severity.

The Mark 10 is also the only torpedo that fit in the tubes of S Class boats.

Scarredclown · 04-11-15, 10:28 AM

Ok , i'm using RFB as of this morning. So i'll check this out. Also this week, a lot of my mark14 ,in stock, were detonating prematurely. Thats explains a lot. Since i'm in RFB, i must consider mark 10 .

razark · 04-11-15, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarredclown

Why would i choose mark 10 ?

In addition to the above mentioned torpedo issues, there's the realism factor.

If you're in an S-boat, Mark 14s are too long to fit in the tubes, so you would need the 10s. The game doesn't make that distinction. The base may also have been out of stock of the newer Mark 14s, and you'd have to take the Mark 10s they had.

Pigboatcook · 04-11-15, 12:59 PM

We all have our likes and dislikes but my early war load-out is the last tube forward (#4 or #6) and my last two aft (#7&8 or 9&10) are always mark 10s.
I also make sure my last reload forward and aft are mark 10s. They are, for me, my best ace in the hole regarding escorts making a run on me. They might be slower, and less range, but when I want the fish to explode if I get a good close in shot I opt for the 10.

SquareCanine · 04-11-15, 03:28 PM

I think the torpedo specifics are contained in the dat file which I'm not setup to read. From others research and my own experience, the Mk 10's are extremly reliable in terms of not detonating early and having good depth keeping, and they have a much more reliable contact detonator (they're as slow as a Mk 14 on slow, and they weigh less, so this is expected). They're really the only torpedo that can be expected to work when making glancing shots (without using an influence detonator).

I often keep a pair of 10's in the aft tubes for defence. If I'm being charged by a destroyer, I want shots that are going to actually explode, and not run deep.

@razark: I've never used that class, but the game files look like the S classes are correctly setup to only use Mk 10's (TorpedoTube21inOldUS). Perhaps a mod screwed that up, or maybe 1.5 does (1.4 for life

).

thegrindre · 04-11-15, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquareCanine

@razark: I've never used that class, but the game files look like the S classes are correctly setup to only use Mk 10's (TorpedoTube21inOldUS). Perhaps a mod screwed that up, or maybe 1.5 does (1.4 for life

).

Sorry, off topic but I'd like to know what mods you are using, sir?
If you are playing v1.4, what works for you?

Thank you.

Longknife · 04-11-15, 04:41 PM

As has been said the Mk14's are better on paper but in practice were awful & even directly contributed to lives being lost on "our" side. By late 1943 they were finally squared away & proved reliable. Ironically about the time they got the Mk14's working the Mk18's were in service & had many of the same problems but because they generated no wake were more warmly received. I recently read somewhere that 40% of the ships sank by the American subforce was with Mk18's IIRC.

BTW in regards to your signature you English is far superior to my French so my hats off to ya!

04-11-15, 09:26 AM	#1
Scarredclown Loader Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Quebec Posts: 85 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Torpedoes I've done my first mission and returned to base safely. A first... I check to reload my torpedoes and have the choice between mark 10 and 14. Why would i choose mark 10 ? Arent mark 14 superior ? __________________ Sorry for my English, triyng very hard !

04-11-15, 09:36 AM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Historically, the Mark 14 was fatally flawed (severe depth errors, occasional gyro errors, faulty detonators) and basically did not work until they were fixed in 1943. The Mark 10 did not have the same detonator problems and was much more reliable. The Mark 14 was better than the Mark 10 on paper, but in practice was completely broken and useless due to the BuOrd's negligence in testing the torpedoes. Unless you're playing with RFB though, those errors in SH4 are reduced in severity. The Mark 10 is also the only torpedo that fit in the tubes of S Class boats. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-11-15, 10:28 AM	#3
Scarredclown Loader Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Quebec Posts: 85 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Ok , i'm using RFB as of this morning. So i'll check this out. Also this week, a lot of my mark14 ,in stock, were detonating prematurely. Thats explains a lot. Since i'm in RFB, i must consider mark 10 . __________________ Sorry for my English, triyng very hard !

04-11-15, 12:59 PM	#5
Pigboatcook A-ganger Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 74 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	We all have our likes and dislikes but my early war load-out is the last tube forward (#4 or #6) and my last two aft (#7&8 or 9&10) are always mark 10s. I also make sure my last reload forward and aft are mark 10s. They are, for me, my best ace in the hole regarding escorts making a run on me. They might be slower, and less range, but when I want the fish to explode if I get a good close in shot I opt for the 10.

04-11-15, 03:28 PM	#6
SquareCanine Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 14 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I think the torpedo specifics are contained in the dat file which I'm not setup to read. From others research and my own experience, the Mk 10's are extremly reliable in terms of not detonating early and having good depth keeping, and they have a much more reliable contact detonator (they're as slow as a Mk 14 on slow, and they weigh less, so this is expected). They're really the only torpedo that can be expected to work when making glancing shots (without using an influence detonator). I often keep a pair of 10's in the aft tubes for defence. If I'm being charged by a destroyer, I want shots that are going to actually explode, and not run deep. @razark: I've never used that class, but the game files look like the S classes are correctly setup to only use Mk 10's (TorpedoTube21inOldUS). Perhaps a mod screwed that up, or maybe 1.5 does (1.4 for life ).

04-11-15, 04:41 PM	#8
Longknife A-ganger Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Northern KY Posts: 80 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	As has been said the Mk14's are better on paper but in practice were awful & even directly contributed to lives being lost on "our" side. By late 1943 they were finally squared away & proved reliable. Ironically about the time they got the Mk14's working the Mk18's were in service & had many of the same problems but because they generated no wake were more warmly received. I recently read somewhere that 40% of the ships sank by the American subforce was with Mk18's IIRC. BTW in regards to your signature you English is far superior to my French so my hats off to ya!