He got a weak sentence- only 16 year

mapuc · 02-11-15, 05:35 PM

The judges should have followed the prosecutor = 26 years

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31413738

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Skybird · 02-11-15, 06:00 PM

By character he is greasy and a youknowwhat, his will is weak, he is a narcissist and vain peacock, a coward and unscrupulous egoist, and an incapable ship captain.

But a deliberate murderer with the intention to kill he is not. I expected 15-20 years, so i think the penalty more or less is okay - if it does not get eased by early release.

He should also be prohibited to publish a book or visit a TV show in 16 years and collect income from that. He should in no way be allowed to make a single coin by marketing his story.

Jimbuna · 02-12-15, 05:50 AM

I heard one report on tv that whilst the trial was ongoing he was lecturing at universities and colleges etc. on 'Emergency Management Preocedures'

swamprat69er · 02-12-15, 08:34 AM

So by that account a life in Italy is only worth 6 months. Causing a shipwreck is worth nothing.

Skybird · 02-12-15, 08:52 AM

Again, it was no intentional planned murder, but an accident. An accident caused by the qualities and factors I mentioned above, no doubt, and the man certainly seems to be a very sleazy character by all what we heard of him in the past time, his carelessness allowing the accident to happen and his performance afterwards being a shame - but still, an accident followed by totally inappropriate behaviour.

I am against sentencing him the same way like a murderer. He is a lump, and incapable, and a narcissist, a coward, and to blame it all on his subordinates also tells something about his bad character, he has neither spine, nor honour - but a murderer he nevertheless is not.

Lets keep murder and accidents two different things, else quite some of us will eventually find ourselves in hell's kitchen. And I would be guilty of attempted murder already, too (I caused a training accident myself some years ago that almost killed somebody).

ikalugin · 02-12-15, 09:04 AM

Criminal neglect is the correct term I think?

Gargamel · 02-12-15, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I heard one report on tv that whilst the trial was ongoing he was lecturing at universities and colleges etc. on 'Emergency Management Preocedures'

There's an ex-paramedic (he's actually from my general area) that makes his living now lecturing on the dangers of Emergency vehicle operations.

He was involved in a fatal car wreck while driving 'hot' one night. In his trial (he was at fault, no doubt about that), the jury found him not guilty of all charges, including man slaughter, aside from a minor charge, something like failure to yield. But because the prosecutor had worded the indictment sneakily (in my opinion), a guilty verdict on any of the charges resulted in a guilty verdict on all charges. He ended up doing something like 4-5 years.

He now goes around to various emergency services around the country lecturing on the dangers of EV ops. I have attended one of those lecturers, and he is the perfect lecturer on this topic. He is able to not only speak from a facts and figures angle, but from a personal point of view.

So, to count this guy out of being able to teach others on the topic on hand may be a bit short sighted. Maybe one of his lectures might save a whole ship one day, hundreds or thousands of lives. Would that make up for his mistakes of the past? Of course not, but maybe he can help others from doing the same.

Those that fail to learn from the failures of the past are doomed to repeat them.

Skybird · 02-12-15, 07:45 PM

He was not really showing insight into his responsibilities afterwards, Gargamel. That is what makes him an inadequate teacher. Even more so when considering what a coward he showed to be. And he blamed others and tried to get out of it as clean as possible.

As I said: a lifelong ban to write books and articles about his story, and prevent him from making coins with having it turned into a movie. He should be unable to ever make cash with what he caused. And that includes "lectures", of course.

Would think different, maybe, if he would have stand by his responsibility. But he tried to doge. No, such teachers must not be wanted.

TorpX · 02-13-15, 12:30 AM

Agree with Skybird. Often violent criminals serve less than 16 years. Also agree he should not get any profit in the usual book/movie deals.

My question is: how much of the sentence is he likely to serve?

02-11-15, 05:35 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	He got a weak sentence- only 16 year The judges should have followed the prosecutor = 26 years http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31413738 Markus

02-11-15, 06:00 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	By character he is greasy and a youknowwhat, his will is weak, he is a narcissist and vain peacock, a coward and unscrupulous egoist, and an incapable ship captain. But a deliberate murderer with the intention to kill he is not. I expected 15-20 years, so i think the penalty more or less is okay - if it does not get eased by early release. He should also be prohibited to publish a book or visit a TV show in 16 years and collect income from that. He should in no way be allowed to make a single coin by marketing his story. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-12-15, 05:50 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,452 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I heard one report on tv that whilst the trial was ongoing he was lecturing at universities and colleges etc. on 'Emergency Management Preocedures' __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-12-15, 08:34 AM	#4
swamprat69er Aceydeucy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 1,889 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	So by that account a life in Italy is only worth 6 months. Causing a shipwreck is worth nothing. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That which does not kill us, makes us stronger. We the willing, led by the unsure, have done so much with so little, for so long, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

02-12-15, 08:52 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Again, it was no intentional planned murder, but an accident. An accident caused by the qualities and factors I mentioned above, no doubt, and the man certainly seems to be a very sleazy character by all what we heard of him in the past time, his carelessness allowing the accident to happen and his performance afterwards being a shame - but still, an accident followed by totally inappropriate behaviour. I am against sentencing him the same way like a murderer. He is a lump, and incapable, and a narcissist, a coward, and to blame it all on his subordinates also tells something about his bad character, he has neither spine, nor honour - but a murderer he nevertheless is not. Lets keep murder and accidents two different things, else quite some of us will eventually find ourselves in hell's kitchen. And I would be guilty of attempted murder already, too (I caused a training accident myself some years ago that almost killed somebody). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Criminal neglect is the correct term I think? __________________ Grumpy as always.

02-12-15, 07:45 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He was not really showing insight into his responsibilities afterwards, Gargamel. That is what makes him an inadequate teacher. Even more so when considering what a coward he showed to be. And he blamed others and tried to get out of it as clean as possible. As I said: a lifelong ban to write books and articles about his story, and prevent him from making coins with having it turned into a movie. He should be unable to ever make cash with what he caused. And that includes "lectures", of course. Would think different, maybe, if he would have stand by his responsibility. But he tried to doge. No, such teachers must not be wanted. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-13-15, 12:30 AM	#9
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Agree with Skybird. Often violent criminals serve less than 16 years. Also agree he should not get any profit in the usual book/movie deals. My question is: how much of the sentence is he likely to serve?