Valve Flagrantly Violates Sherman Antitrust Act

ColdFront · 11-22-14, 10:38 AM

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewto...p?f=60&t=33165
I discuss the violation here.

Skybird · 11-23-14, 08:19 AM

I read that somewhere, too.

What Steam/Valve practically demands is that other companies/services providing the given game, shall be barred from offering the same content and product at a lower price, which therefore prevents competing with Steam by more competitive pricing.

Since Steam only serves as kind of a reseller, but is not the manufacturer or rpeucer of the games, that indeed is unacceptable. They want to forbid their competitors to outbid them. It also aims at establishing kind of an non-allowed price fixing, probably violating anti-cartell laws.

That simply is a total and complete No-Go.

ColdFront · 11-23-14, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I read that somewhere, too.

What Steam/Valve practically demands is that other companies/services providing the given game, shall be barred from offering the same content and product at a lower price, which therefore prevents competing with Steam by more competitive pricing.

Since Steam only serves as kind of a reseller, but is not the manufacturer or rpeucer of the games, that indeed is unacceptable. They want to forbid their competitors to outbid them. It also aims at establishing kind of an non-allowed price fixing, probably violating anti-cartell laws.

That simply is a total and complete No-Go.

Fully agreed. For those in the USA who want to report Valve for antitrust violations, here are the guidelines: http://www.justice.gov/atr/contact/newcase.html

Dowly · 11-23-14, 12:07 PM

This thread is a bit stupid.

ColdFront · 11-23-14, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

This thread is a bit stupid.

Yeah, my cohorts at ABT can't understand kindergarten math.

Catfish · 11-23-14, 04:07 PM

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What Steam/Valve practically demands is that other companies/services providing the given game, shall be barred from offering the same content and product at a lower price, which therefore prevents competing with Steam by more competitive pricing.

Sounds exactly as TTIP eh ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transat...nt_Partnership

"Partnership", yeah right [/cyn]

Bilge_Rat · 11-24-14, 07:22 AM

STEAM may demand it, but to what extent can they enforce it?

For example, I was shopping for "Brave New World", the last expansion pack to Civilization 5. STEAM is charging $30, but it is easy to find online resellers selling STEAM keys for as little as $10.

Dowly · 11-24-14, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

STEAM may demand it, but to what extent can they enforce it?

For example, I was shopping for "Brave New World", the last expansion pack to Civilization 5. STEAM is charging $30, but it is easy to find online resellers selling STEAM keys for as little as $10.

Brave New World isn't Early Access title. What Valve is doing here is making sure no one can ask higher price for an Early Access key than what it is listed on Steam.

As for enforcing, Early Access is their service, they can enforce it anyway they like. But if the same title is sold on some other type of service other than Early Access, the price can be set to anything the devs/publishers want.

PS. Did I use bold enough to make everyone realize this is about EARLY ACCESS titles ONLY. So, no, Valve is still not the evil overlord and Gabe Newell still doesnt eat newborn babies for breakfast.

PPS. Coldfront, good luck with the DoJ.

ColdFront · 11-24-14, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Brave New World isn't Early Access title. What Valve is doing here is making sure no one can ask higher price for an Early Access key than what it is listed on Steam.

No, they are not. Way to misread what Valve said.

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As for enforcing, Early Access is their service, they can enforce it anyway they like. But if the same title is sold on some other type of service other than Early Access, the price can be set to anything the devs/publishers want.

And lose access to ~80% of PC gaming? I don't think they can.

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PS. Did I use bold enough to make everyone realize this is about EARLY ACCESS titles ONLY. So, no, Valve is still not the evil overlord and Gabe Newell still doesnt eat newborn babies for breakfast.

PPS. Coldfront, good luck with the DoJ.

You've never heard of Order of War: Challenge, have you? That's because the tech press suppressed Valve's rape of a multiplayer community.

Sailor Steve · 11-24-14, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdFront

Valve fanboy?

Your argument is a good one. There is no need to use insults to support it.

ColdFront · 11-24-14, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Your argument is a good one. There is no need to use insults to support it.

Thanks. I'll remove the insult.

ikalugin · 11-24-14, 08:50 PM

What do you think is a better alternative to Steam service?

ColdFront · 11-24-14, 09:17 PM

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What do you think is a better alternative to Steam service?

As of now, none. No one can match Steam's library.

Heard nothing but bad about Uplay. I've heard Origin has far better customer support than Steam, but everyone has such a ingrained anti-EA bias for no legitimate reason that it's only just hanging on due to compelling exclusives. GOG only has old games and is struggling to catch up.

ikalugin · 11-24-14, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdFront

As of now, none. No one can match Steam's library.

Heard nothing but bad about Uplay. I've heard Origin has far better customer support than Steam, but everyone has such a ingrained anti-EA bias for no legitimate reason that it's only just hanging on due to compelling exclusives. GOG only has old games and is struggling to catch up.

I think that Origin behaving like a malware may be one of the reasons why people hate it.

Dowly · 11-24-14, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdFront

No, they are not. Way to misread what Valve said.

Sorry, that was my mistake. Brain said one thing, fingers did something else.

So, Valve is asking for Early Access developers to not price their Steam price higher than available on other places.

11-22-14, 10:38 AM	#1
ColdFront Seaman Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 34 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Valve Flagrantly Violates Sherman Antitrust Act http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewto...p?f=60&t=33165 I discuss the violation here. __________________ "How did we, Kronk?" "Well, you got me. By all accounts, it doesn't make sense."

11-23-14, 08:19 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I read that somewhere, too. What Steam/Valve practically demands is that other companies/services providing the given game, shall be barred from offering the same content and product at a lower price, which therefore prevents competing with Steam by more competitive pricing. Since Steam only serves as kind of a reseller, but is not the manufacturer or rpeucer of the games, that indeed is unacceptable. They want to forbid their competitors to outbid them. It also aims at establishing kind of an non-allowed price fixing, probably violating anti-cartell laws. That simply is a total and complete No-Go. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	STEAM may demand it, but to what extent can they enforce it? For example, I was shopping for "Brave New World", the last expansion pack to Civilization 5. STEAM is charging $30, but it is easy to find online resellers selling STEAM keys for as little as $10. __________________

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	This thread is a bit stupid.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	What do you think is a better alternative to Steam service?