Motorcyclist films his own death

Skybird · 09-07-14, 11:45 AM

This is helm camera footage of a motorcyclist filming his own death by frontal collision with a car at high speed. British police uses it with permission by his mother for a traffic education campaign. The link above already destroys that constructive intention by interrupting the footage short before impact. But I think this hypersensiblity is not helping the cause, so I provide the link below which shows the full sequence. There is no gore and blood and such to be seen, don'T worry. It even looks somewhat harmless. Which maybe makes it even more disturbing that the sequence nevertheless illustrates the death of a human being.

http://www.focus.de/auto/videos/fahr...d_4114099.html

Especially after winter, when the first springdays show up, I occasionally see young men driving like maniacs on their motorbikes. Videos like this should be mandatory viewing in driving schools, and even at ordinary schools, in the last one or two schoolyears.

Respect for the mother allowing this film being used for the police's campaign. Hope it saves some people'S lives. Always remember that you do not only need to avoid mistakes by yourself - you also need to allow room for mistakes made by others. At speeds like this, you delete that room for the other's mistake. With the illustrated result.

Eichhörnchen · 09-07-14, 11:53 AM

I haven't looked at this yet: not sure I want to, but your point about defensive driving, as we call it, is very important and well made.

Buddahaid · 09-07-14, 12:02 PM

I watched it. Foolish driving by the deceased to drive at that speed in that area. It's just asking for it really and that moment of knowing the collision is inevitable is heart stopping. Reminds me of James Dean's death.

Skybird · 09-07-14, 12:46 PM

It also should be a clear lesson for those people who take risks and drive so fast and who deceive themselves and excuse themselves to others by claiming "I have things under control, I have good vision, I can see what happens and I can react to it."

No, you fool - you cannot.

Skybird · 09-07-14, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

I haven't looked at this yet: not sure I want to, but your point about defensive driving, as we call it, is very important and well made.

As I said, the effect from the video is not due to gore, blood and horror - there is none. It is the apparent harmlessness and quickness of events.

Wolferz · 09-07-14, 01:39 PM

I've seen that happen in real life. Biker bounced off the car that turned in front of him.
Motorcycles are the hardest vehicles to see so, if you ride, do the bloody speed limit and mind your situational awareness. The other drivers out there are not. I had a driver who was half asleep run me off the road just last week and I drive a pickup truck with the headlights on. Apparently the driver had one thought on his mind...getting a cup of Joe from the McDonalds just up the road.

Stealhead · 09-07-14, 02:51 PM

I wonder how often he rode at such speeds? He appeared confident which was his mistake along with not driving defensively. You can never be sure that you will see and avoid every hazard which is why speed is such a factor. I think many drivers and riders feel that they are good enough to take that extra risk.

When I was stationed in Germany military bike riders(riding their personal motorcycles) driving reckless was a problem. Take a young man and put him on the autobahn with "no speed limit" (in fact our military license limited us to 75 mph) is a bad mix. The often short exits got plenty of us as well. Many of the car driving crowd where pretty bad as well. German Highway Patrol knew young American military well slightly better than German youth but not much.

09-07-14, 03:04 PM

I also own a motorcycle, but I have never had any urge to go and do suicidal stuff.

However when I am in places like Dallas, or Memphis I see Motorcycles do some of the craziest stuff. I never understand it either. I am always semi nervous when I am riding my bike on the interstate. I get over it, but I never let my guard down.

The worst I seen was in Dallas. I was driving a Semi through a construction zone and I was doing the posted speed limit. Then 2 bikes out of nowhere not only passed me and the car in front of me, but then drove into the construction zone and began zig zagging between the cones and barrels.

I just watched in absolute amazement. There was no way they could have known what was in that construction zone. Equipment, missing patches of road, and various other items of debris.

They didn't wreck, but they sure pushed there luck.

09-07-14, 03:07 PM

I remember the first truck job I ever got (working for a farmer), there was a wreck out by his farm just before I started.

They where telling me how a kid had just got a crouch rocket bike, and was riding it out in the country at over 100 mph (on country roads).

He drove into some loose gravel, and wrecked. When he was found, they had to get a group of police to walk the wreck path and pick up pieces of him. He hit the ground so hard that it literally tore him apart.

Oberon · 09-07-14, 03:13 PM

Huh, East Anglia, why am I not surprised?

Lots of speed freaks in bikes and cars around here, the geography doesn't help, it's as bumpy as a pancake after it's been run over by a steamroller around here.

Eichhörnchen · 09-07-14, 03:14 PM

No matter how expensive are the leathers they're wearing, motorcyclists are still "soft pink bodies", and the most vulnerable people on the roads.

We have signs everywhere in the UK: "Think Once, Think Twice, Think Bike". I remember this every time I come out onto a main road (freeway) so it does sink home with car drivers.

Onkel Neal · 09-07-14, 05:55 PM

When I was 16, I was a danger to myself on 2 wheels. Thanks to my antics, I got a couple of tickets and my father chained my bike to the garage. That was it for street bikes until I turned 19. I think it's even worse today, with modern sportbikes and the celebration of speed and cornering. They really should raise the requirements for under 20 to get and keep a motorcycle licence.

Wolferz · 09-07-14, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

When I was 16, I was a danger to myself on 2 wheels. Thanks to my antics, I got a couple of tickets and my father chained my bike to the garage. That was it for street bikes until I turned 19. I think it's even worse today, with modern sportbikes and the celebration of speed and cornering. They really should raise the requirements for under 20 to get and keep a motorcycle licence.

No feeling in the world like buying your kid a graduation present of a motorcycle and a funeral.

The ER staff call them Donorcycles for good reason.

Never lose your fear of those things. If you do, you already have a foot in your grave.

fireftr18 · 09-07-14, 08:56 PM

One of the areas I was assigned on the fire dept was an area very popular with the sport motorcycle crowd. I don't know how many motorcycle wrecks I made as a result of crap like in this video. Over 23 years, I can count on one hand motorcycle vs anything else that the motorcycle driver was not doing something stupid.
I read once that the primary cause of motor vehicle accidents isn't speed, not paying attention, etc., but incompetence. It leads to driving too fast for conditions, ignoring signs, cutting in and out, over confidence, etc. I see more tricky and dangerous maneuvering in 20 minutes on Interstate 75 than I do in 2 hours on the Kentucky Speedway.

Stealhead · 09-08-14, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

I am always semi nervous when I am riding my bike on the interstate. I get over it, but I never let my guard down.

That is how I feel not so much nervous but very cautious. In all honesty the first 6 months or so that I drove a straight truck I was pretty nervous. It is amazing how unaware people are on the road and then you have people doing stunts and people driving distracted. Also in truck all that weight if you hit someone even at 15 mph you could still kill them 80,000 pounds is no joke.

Couple weeks ago I was stuck because of this wreck so I got out of the truck and talked to another trucker. All of a sudden another rig (wont name the company

) came up too fast. I thought for sure he was going to hit a vehicle and probably kill or at least cause some serious injuries and property damage. He managed to get off onto the right median though. As soon as it stopped the driver and his team mate jumped out. The team mate yelled "you (not safe for TV) I told you a thousand times not to screw around with your cell phone while driving" pretty sure that guy lost his job because a trooper came running over when he heard the guy say that and his team mate looked like he was ready to knock the driver flat out.

I am glad that I mostly do regional runs little less time on the open road exposed to the idiots.

09-07-14, 11:45 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Motorcyclist films his own death This is helm camera footage of a motorcyclist filming his own death by frontal collision with a car at high speed. British police uses it with permission by his mother for a traffic education campaign. The link above already destroys that constructive intention by interrupting the footage short before impact. But I think this hypersensiblity is not helping the cause, so I provide the link below which shows the full sequence. There is no gore and blood and such to be seen, don'T worry. It even looks somewhat harmless. Which maybe makes it even more disturbing that the sequence nevertheless illustrates the death of a human being. http://www.focus.de/auto/videos/fahr...d_4114099.html Especially after winter, when the first springdays show up, I occasionally see young men driving like maniacs on their motorbikes. Videos like this should be mandatory viewing in driving schools, and even at ordinary schools, in the last one or two schoolyears. Respect for the mother allowing this film being used for the police's campaign. Hope it saves some people'S lives. Always remember that you do not only need to avoid mistakes by yourself - you also need to allow room for mistakes made by others. At speeds like this, you delete that room for the other's mistake. With the illustrated result. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-07-14, 12:02 PM	#3
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I watched it. Foolish driving by the deceased to drive at that speed in that area. It's just asking for it really and that moment of knowing the collision is inevitable is heart stopping. Reminds me of James Dean's death. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

09-07-14, 12:46 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It also should be a clear lesson for those people who take risks and drive so fast and who deceive themselves and excuse themselves to others by claiming "I have things under control, I have good vision, I can see what happens and I can react to it." No, you fool - you cannot. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-07-14, 01:39 PM	#6
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	I've seen that happen in real life. Biker bounced off the car that turned in front of him. Motorcycles are the hardest vehicles to see so, if you ride, do the bloody speed limit and mind your situational awareness. The other drivers out there are not. I had a driver who was half asleep run me off the road just last week and I drive a pickup truck with the headlights on. Apparently the driver had one thought on his mind...getting a cup of Joe from the McDonalds just up the road. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

09-07-14, 02:51 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I wonder how often he rode at such speeds? He appeared confident which was his mistake along with not driving defensively. You can never be sure that you will see and avoid every hazard which is why speed is such a factor. I think many drivers and riders feel that they are good enough to take that extra risk. When I was stationed in Germany military bike riders(riding their personal motorcycles) driving reckless was a problem. Take a young man and put him on the autobahn with "no speed limit" (in fact our military license limited us to 75 mph) is a bad mix. The often short exits got plenty of us as well. Many of the car driving crowd where pretty bad as well. German Highway Patrol knew young American military well slightly better than German youth but not much. Last edited by Stealhead; 09-07-14 at 03:03 PM.

09-07-14, 11:53 AM	#2
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,455 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I haven't looked at this yet: not sure I want to, but your point about defensive driving, as we call it, is very important and well made.

09-07-14, 03:04 PM	#8
DJ Kelley Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I also own a motorcycle, but I have never had any urge to go and do suicidal stuff. However when I am in places like Dallas, or Memphis I see Motorcycles do some of the craziest stuff. I never understand it either. I am always semi nervous when I am riding my bike on the interstate. I get over it, but I never let my guard down. The worst I seen was in Dallas. I was driving a Semi through a construction zone and I was doing the posted speed limit. Then 2 bikes out of nowhere not only passed me and the car in front of me, but then drove into the construction zone and began zig zagging between the cones and barrels. I just watched in absolute amazement. There was no way they could have known what was in that construction zone. Equipment, missing patches of road, and various other items of debris. They didn't wreck, but they sure pushed there luck.

09-07-14, 03:07 PM	#9
DJ Kelley Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I remember the first truck job I ever got (working for a farmer), there was a wreck out by his farm just before I started. They where telling me how a kid had just got a crouch rocket bike, and was riding it out in the country at over 100 mph (on country roads). He drove into some loose gravel, and wrecked. When he was found, they had to get a group of police to walk the wreck path and pick up pieces of him. He hit the ground so hard that it literally tore him apart.

09-07-14, 03:13 PM	#10
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Huh, East Anglia, why am I not surprised? Lots of speed freaks in bikes and cars around here, the geography doesn't help, it's as bumpy as a pancake after it's been run over by a steamroller around here.

09-07-14, 03:14 PM	#11
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,455 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	No matter how expensive are the leathers they're wearing, motorcyclists are still "soft pink bodies", and the most vulnerable people on the roads. We have signs everywhere in the UK: "Think Once, Think Twice, Think Bike". I remember this every time I come out onto a main road (freeway) so it does sink home with car drivers.

09-07-14, 05:55 PM	#12
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	When I was 16, I was a danger to myself on 2 wheels. Thanks to my antics, I got a couple of tickets and my father chained my bike to the garage. That was it for street bikes until I turned 19. I think it's even worse today, with modern sportbikes and the celebration of speed and cornering. They really should raise the requirements for under 20 to get and keep a motorcycle licence. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

09-07-14, 08:56 PM	#14
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	One of the areas I was assigned on the fire dept was an area very popular with the sport motorcycle crowd. I don't know how many motorcycle wrecks I made as a result of crap like in this video. Over 23 years, I can count on one hand motorcycle vs anything else that the motorcycle driver was not doing something stupid. I read once that the primary cause of motor vehicle accidents isn't speed, not paying attention, etc., but incompetence. It leads to driving too fast for conditions, ignoring signs, cutting in and out, over confidence, etc. I see more tricky and dangerous maneuvering in 20 minutes on Interstate 75 than I do in 2 hours on the Kentucky Speedway. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!