Pulitzer for WP, Guardian for coverage of NSA/Snowden revelations

Skybird · 04-14-14, 04:41 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27029670

Okay, this is something I can agree to nod about. Just that the merits are Snowden's - and him is not helped by this at all.

Skybird · 09-24-14, 09:23 AM

Just in:

Edward Snowden and Alan Rusbridger from The Guardian, are to get this year's Alternative Nobel Prize, or more correctly named: the Right Livelihood Award.

Not thinking in terms of heroism or nobleness, I think what Snowden did, was courageous, and also necessary. I know the claimed implications to paint him as a traitor and villain and to make people believe that he did so much damage, but on many of these I just cannot agree.

When weighing what remains of these claims against the massive abuse of the surveillance system, and the state inside the state having gone beyond control and checks and balances, violating dozens and hundreds of millions of people's privacy and declaring everybody a suspect until proven innocent, I must conclude that what he did was necessary - both practically and morally.

Maybe brainwashed, comfort-drunk Western people just do not care anymore for growing state manipulation and control and invasion of their privacy, maybe what Snowden did in the end will not make any difference. Indeed that seems to be the most likely outcome. Still it was necessary - if only for preventing that later, at some unknown date in the future, when the system has taken off its masks and starts biting people in their faces, these people will have possibilities to dodge out of their responsibility in having passively surrendered and let it happen, and so to make it impossible for them to claim that they did not know and that they could not be held responsible.

Since Snowden, we knew for sure, and nobody has an excuse anymore to gloss over things and treat them as if they would not mean anything. We knew what happened, and we let it happen, and we are responsible for having let things come that far. Snowden denied all excuses to weasel around that responsibility that we failed over .

And that is worth an Award. Even if it is this one.

Catfish · 09-24-14, 02:03 PM

During the 1970ies to 1980ies someone like Snowdon would have received the Nobel prize.

I wonder when there's the point, when people who stand up for human rights or just common laws, are being shot as "traitors".
Won't be long.

04-14-14, 04:41 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Pulitzer for WP, Guardian for coverage of NSA/Snowden revelations http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27029670 Okay, this is something I can agree to nod about. Just that the merits are Snowden's - and him is not helped by this at all. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-24-14, 09:23 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just in: Edward Snowden and Alan Rusbridger from The Guardian, are to get this year's Alternative Nobel Prize, or more correctly named: the Right Livelihood Award. Not thinking in terms of heroism or nobleness, I think what Snowden did, was courageous, and also necessary. I know the claimed implications to paint him as a traitor and villain and to make people believe that he did so much damage, but on many of these I just cannot agree. When weighing what remains of these claims against the massive abuse of the surveillance system, and the state inside the state having gone beyond control and checks and balances, violating dozens and hundreds of millions of people's privacy and declaring everybody a suspect until proven innocent, I must conclude that what he did was necessary - both practically and morally. Maybe brainwashed, comfort-drunk Western people just do not care anymore for growing state manipulation and control and invasion of their privacy, maybe what Snowden did in the end will not make any difference. Indeed that seems to be the most likely outcome. Still it was necessary - if only for preventing that later, at some unknown date in the future, when the system has taken off its masks and starts biting people in their faces, these people will have possibilities to dodge out of their responsibility in having passively surrendered and let it happen, and so to make it impossible for them to claim that they did not know and that they could not be held responsible. Since Snowden, we knew for sure, and nobody has an excuse anymore to gloss over things and treat them as if they would not mean anything. We knew what happened, and we let it happen, and we are responsible for having let things come that far. Snowden denied all excuses to weasel around that responsibility that we failed over . And that is worth an Award. Even if it is this one. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-24-14, 02:03 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	During the 1970ies to 1980ies someone like Snowdon would have received the Nobel prize. I wonder when there's the point, when people who stand up for human rights or just common laws, are being shot as "traitors". Won't be long.