Migration always means poverty migration, not wealth migration

[Skybird]

A hot iron in Germany currently. The problem is real, and worstening. My hometown is none of the hotspots, but even here I see it with my own eyes every time I go to town: there are many more foreign beggars from the Balkan region now than there were ten years ago, more organised beggars, and beggars mobbing the few German beggars that have been here before. Two times I saw clans of theirs becoming violent against German local beggars who had held their begging spots for years before.

http://axis-of-goodness.com/2014/01/...anizes-europe/

Our marvellous political parasites' solution: insisting on that it cannot be, because it should not be. Problem solved.

[flostt]

.....in Switzerland as well....

Next Sunday all citizens with Swiss Nationality will be able to vote to curb immigration and reintroduce quotas....

This could have consequences for bilateral relations with the European Union, which considers free movement of people a fundamental right...

In case of acceptance the EU would then have the option of terminating all other bilateral agreements negotiated with Switzerland....

[Oberon]

Explain expatriates then.

[TarJak]

Or Australia. Migration was the key to industrial growth after WW2. I can't agree with the title however it may be playing out in Germany or Schweiz.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Explain expatriates then.

Originally Posted by TarJak

Or Australia. Migration was the key to industrial growth after WW2. I can't agree with the title however it may be playing out in Germany or Schweiz.

Beaten to it....and I've been one having resided in Holland for more than two years.

[Tchocky]

Same country as Jim and definitively not in poverty

[Skybird]

German media this morning report that government numbers by the Federal Office for Labour show an increase of wellfare spendings (called Hartz IV) to migrants from Romania and Bulgaria of over 50% in 2013.

At the same time, the number amongst these people who were employed in jobs, fell to a new record low.

Amongst those who have jobs, the majority is employed in low-wage and so-called mini-jobs only. That is nothing you can support a family or a future with. The tax payer has to bail you out.

And all that was before the Visa duty ended.

Just until recently, politicians claimed publicly that such numbers and information suggesting such trends, simply would not exist. They also claimed that the majority of these migrants were "highly qualified specialists" that are urgently needed in Germany.

That raises the question why politicians so shamelessly lie about the facts.

And it raises the question why the people let these political parasites get away with it. Even elect them into offices again and again and again.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Or Australia. Migration was the key to industrial growth after WW2. I can't agree with the title however it may be playing out in Germany or Schweiz.

There are migrants and there are migrants. Some go to build themselves - or for their children at least - a new future: that was key drive behind the European mass migration to America.

Others go with not intending to change, instead only to suck the money blood of the new haven they are in, and expecting the natives to adapt to them. Which makes the immigrant a colonist then.

Australia I know not much about, cannot comment.

The title I have chosen from this paragraph in the text I linked:

"Just as water flows downhill and hot air rises, migration—which is always poverty migration—goes from poverty to wealth. There’s no such thing as “wealthy migration,” unless we’re talking about Gerard Depardieu."

[Wolferz]

As you watch the poor migrate to the rich spots, the rich will migrate to places the poor can not go, for lack of airfare.

You can always make the best of the beggar situation by promoting bum fights.

Yup, hot topic and makes me go nuts how incredibly stupid our politicians "handle" this situation. I just can't believe it. Once again the cancer called "political correctness" is hammering another nail into Germany's coffin.

I was so glad that this country became what it is (was?) after WW2, that we got the chance to become a great nation, wealthy and peaceful, again despite the whole Third Reich thing.
Now, we destroy it all from within by making the wrong decisions, wearing pink glasses of stupidity and political correctness...

I liked this country so much. When I now look at cities like Duisburg, or single districts from cities like Berlin, Hamburg or even my small hometown Lüneburg, I get the feeling that I want to emigrate to Finland's wilderness, to escape all this crap and don't have to get angry again when I read in the paper that once more a nice foreign fellow citizen beat an old man to death over nothing in a subway, for fun.
And don't get me started on the "Roma and Sinti" problem. It is unbelievable how most, not all, of these people "live" here, let alone why.

Although, if there's a country giving away freebies like stupid, I can see why the poorest of the poor are attracted. I don't even blame them.

Nothing against a healthy cultural mix, it spices things up, I do believe that, yet people should start to worry when the "healthy mix" transforms into mighty ghettos with organized crime, corruption and less police activity due to fear of incidents.

Problem here is, for all non Germans of this board, you can't just be against that as a German in Germany. As soon as you say something critical against immigration or immigrants, you get a nice red stamp on your forehead saying: "Racist!" or "Nazi!", without anyone actually listeting or fact-checking. And some groups just use that to their advantage with a big smile on their faces, like the "Central Council of Jews in Germany", or the Muslim-equivalent of this organization...

All hail the Altlast.

/off to Finland's wilderness...

[Tchocky]

That article hurts my head.


Put it this way - if a blog post purports to discuss economics, using the heading "STATISTICS CAN PROVE ANYTHING" is not the way to go.

Just as water flows downhill and hot air rises, migration—which is always poverty migration—goes from poverty to wealth. There’s no such thing as “wealthy migration,” unless we’re talking about Gerard Depardieu. That this more or less scientific fact is so insistently denied has to do with broken promises.

This more or less ridiculous statement is more or less rubbish.

[Wolferz]

Less is the new more.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"Just as water flows downhill and hot air rises, migration—which is always poverty migration—goes from poverty to wealth. There’s no such thing as “wealthy migration,” unless we’re talking about Gerard Depardieu."

Then how about Britains (and Germans) who have retired to hotter climates?

[Skybird]

Millions and millions do that, yes.

Not, it is not millions and millions. And many elder people moving to other countries do so because in that country their pensions allow them a modest lifestyle they cannot support in Germany anymore.

All in all, poverty and wealth migration by numbers of individuals do not compare.

What we have in Germany is a growing trend that families and children send their old parents to old-age homes in Poland, Czech Republic, Thailand and some other places in Asia, because they cannot pay for places in homes for the elderly in Germany, the costs become too high for many. I take it that this also is not what you mean by "wealth migration"...?

[Oberon]

But we're not talking about comparisons here. The title you used makes a definition that migration always means poverty migration, not wealth migration, and yet this is not the case. Similarly the quote in which you ended your reply to Tarjak with states that migration is always poverty migration, but as you have admitted just now, that there is wealth migration, although because of the ratio of rich to poor in just about every nation on this planet, the ratio between wealth and poverty migration is helplessly one-sided.
Furthermore, the simplification of the term 'migration' discounts internal country migration, not everyone in Germany and the UK moves from richer parts of the country to poorer parts, generally movements congregate where there is a greater chance of employment, and so it is internationally, as equally as it is intranationally.

EDIT: Didn't know about the old-age home exportation...that is pretty grim, but equally in a manner of speaking it is a form of wealth migration, since it is people from one country exploiting the inequality in relative economic strength to benefit their own financial existence, for good or for ill. People come from Eastern Europe to earn more money than they can back home, and we go to Eastern Europe to make the money we've earnt go further.