Kennedy Space Center Visit

Stealhead · 12-14-13, 11:37 PM

This will have some pics sometime tomorrow I'm too lazy to upload them to night.

I went with my wife an daughter to Kennedy Space Center today for my birthday.Needles to say very cool little trip only a 2 hour drive from the house.I have been before but over 20 years ago twice in the late 80's to witness Shuttle launches (both of which got canceled that day

). I also wen once in the early 90's to see the exhibits and go on one of the tours.

I heard from a friend that recently they built a museum for the Atlantis (June 0f 2013 I think) and about 4 or 5 years ago made they made a huge complex for a Saturn V that was left over from Apollo.They decided to fully restore it and put on on display inside a huge building along with tons of other displays related to Apollo program.

The way NASA does it is you must buy a ticket to the park which has a good bit of things on display including the brand new Atlantis complex.Then you can buy one of three tours via bus (they make stops) of different sections of the complex then each tour ends at the Saturn V complex.

The one we went on goes to the Vehicle Assembly Building(VAB). The VAB at one time was the largest building in the world by volume and it still has the largest doors on earth.This is where they assembled the Saturn rockets and later the Shuttles and the SLS will be assembled there as well.

Let me tell you walking into this structure will pretty much blow your mind because of what was assembled there but also the engineering that is in the structure itself.when you step inside and look up you can see clear to the ceiling about 526 ft above your head.

It is hard to describe its layout without seeing it so I'll just post some pictures of it later.But basically it has two huge sets of doors on the north and south end and four smaller(though still massive) sets of doors on the east and west ends.The vehicle(or very large object) would come in via the north and south doors and they do all the fine tune assembly in one of the smaller bays(large enough to fit a Saturn v) including being placed on top of one of the huge crawlers.then they drive it out the small bay doors.

There are four huge cranes inside the largest can handle 320,000 tons(

) these cranes are so precise you could place and egg under one and have it rest gently on top of the egg and not crack it.The orbiter portion of the shuttle was placed in a special jig when they needed to set it vertical during this process once they had slowly moved it 90 deg they le it sit for at least four hours to make 100% certain that it had stopped swaying before they did anything else.

Another cool thing about the side bays was they had been designed for much smaller Saturn V sections but the Orbiter had too large of a wing span So they have had to lift it 80ft in the air where the gaps for the cranes are just large enough pull it up and then through and then lower it down into the bay.

They never used the west facing bays for final assembly because doing so would mean extra turns for the crawler to get to its special road way instead they use them mainly for storage and smaller mock ups.At the time they had some mock ups of the new Orion mulch-purpose crew vehicle.I mean real engineering mock ups in one of the side bays they had more but it was behind opaque plastic and we where not allowed back there.They had several displays showing the assembly stages of Saturn V and the Shuttle to give you an idea what it looks like.

They also had a display of the various heat tiles and "blankets" which I'm sure they put there after the Columbia loss.The "blankets" which are newer are used on the upper surfaces early on the orbiters had solid tiles on the surface on at the bottom they found during the shuttle program that the "blankets" worked better than tiles did for upper surfaces.These are sown by hand in another facility across the road.All of the tiles and blankets are silica based with varying forms of connection and construction.

If you have ever seen photos of the VAB on the south facing side there is an American flag and the NASA emblem.On that flag the stars are six feet tall and the blue area is that same size as an NBA basketball court I'll post a picture of the flag to give you an idea just how massive this building is.

The Saturn/Apollo complex is just as awesome the rocket is on display horizontally and is in three sections.The pictures do not do this thing justice honestly they did a very good job with the restoration it looks like in time warped from 1970.In a few areas it is cut away to show what the fuel tank/stowage bay looks like.they also had a lunar rover and a section of Skylab.They also have the Apollo 14 capsule on display.

In another room they had several prototype space suits for the Apollo program along with some personal effects of Guss Grissom and Roger Chaffe two of the three astronauts that died in Apollo 1 Grissom's Congressional Space Medal of Honor and a watch that Chaffe almost always wore.

The Atlantis complex is very impressive you watch two short films about the shuttle during the last one you stand in special theater when the film is over the screens lift up and you actually see the Atlantis through the screen.It was very nice it actually kind of takes your breath away the way they do it and some people kind of stood there for a few seconds just staring.They have Atlantis suspended as if she is still in orbit and the bays are open and the robotic arm is extended reaching towards the Hubble telescope (or a very well done mock up).

You can not go inside the Atlantis (which I like actually) but you can stand very close to her.They just left her as she looked on the last mission so the tiles are scorched and all but it looks very awesome.I have worked on and around aircraft for years but this was still something to see a ship just as she looked after a space mission and she is no mock up she is real the last Orbiter to fly in space.It is really something to see up close and so well displayed.Again photos just do not do her justice.

Stealhead · 12-14-13, 11:47 PM

The VAB from about 5 miles away taken from the bus.

Hanger used for shuttle Orbiter storage these are near the VAB.they will be re-purposed for the SLS program.

USAF Titan IV pad with Titan IV on the pad it was supposed to be launched a week or so ago but they delayed it.The white structure is actually a USAF VAB which is behind the pad.

These are regular sized double doors on the NASA VAB to give you an idea how massive the VAB is this was from the bus and we where only about 200ft away.

Inside the VAB from the north end looking inside and in the second photo looking upwards.Yeah America baby!! Notice the guys using the crane near the middle we where there about an hour and that object they only had lifted maybe 2 feet I think they where using it to calibrate the crane.The larger flag is about 716 feet away Jiminy Cricket

.

In the seond photo you can see the cranes as well some are about mid level and some are near the top.I think the crane with the American flag is one of the heavier lifters there was another one parked over one of the bays.

Aktungbby · 12-15-13, 12:08 AM

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Stealhead · 12-15-13, 12:15 AM

A shot of the slot where they had to squeeze the shuttle orbiter and the external tank trough.I forgot to take a shot of the lower opening to the side bays they where large but not wide enough for the Orbiters wingspan.those sky light are over 500ft away.

And another shot of the large American flag because America even the Hamms drinkers but this one is large and of course is for the bourbon whisky drinkers.Hamms drinkers get ne of those plastic Chinese made American flags.

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 12:23 AM

these are basalts to test the weight limits on the cranes the oversize propane tank can hold up 900,000 gallons of water.

This is the pad that the new SLS will use.Sorry the other building totally Bogarted that shot the tower is part of the pad and it and the rocket all mount on top of a crawler for transport.

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 12:29 AM

Thermal tiles

An engineering mock up of the SLS Orion capsule.By the way there where 3 security guards watching every move you made in the VAB.

Sailor Steve · 12-15-13, 02:09 AM

That is fantastic!

Great shots! Thanks for sharing with us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The larger flag is about 716 feet away Jiminy Cricket

.

That's three feet more than the waterline length of a North Carolina class battleship. Unless you were standing right at the opposite wall that means an Iowa would fit comfortably inside that building. Maybe even a modern supercarrier.

TarJak · 12-15-13, 01:29 AM

Great pics looks like a good tour.

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

Great pics looks like a good tour.

It was, the guide was very knowledgeable he obviously had worked for NASA in a much more considerable capacity this was just a retirement thing fro him seemed like most of the guides where former NASA engineers and techs so they know what they are talking about.

Someone asked ours about the Columbia and he gave a little body language que just for a second that it was very personal to him.I forgot to ask but I am pretty sure he was an engineer of some sort he knew what he was talking about not just recalling a script.

There is a basic tour that comes with admission which goes to the Saturn V complex and the rest you pay extra for but they are well worth it.There are three other tours in addition to the one we went on and a "mega" tour but I think it is better to go on each tour because they each last a few hours and take more than one full day while the mega tour takes a bit less than a day.A friend of mine did all four over three days.The VAB tour is the newest it has been closed to the public since 1978 until just the past year or so and might be again once SLS and commercial launches pick up.

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 02:02 AM

Prototype Apollo space suits.

Makes me think of the suits in Alien

A Samurai and Buck Rogers love child. Or old school Iron Man.

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 02:09 AM

If you question the moon landing the second set of hands will feed you a knuckle sandwich.Hand molds of Neil Armstrong,Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins.They used these when making the various gloves.

Apollo 14 capsule

Stealhead · 12-15-13, 02:20 AM

A million times more impressive in person Atlantis like she just landed.Like I said the way you come in it is really impressive and has an effect on you.Best static display I have ever seen.Some people where actually crying not out of sadness though this is after all the most complex machine made by man.

12-14-13, 11:37 PM	#1
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Kennedy Space Center Visit This will have some pics sometime tomorrow I'm too lazy to upload them to night. I went with my wife an daughter to Kennedy Space Center today for my birthday.Needles to say very cool little trip only a 2 hour drive from the house.I have been before but over 20 years ago twice in the late 80's to witness Shuttle launches (both of which got canceled that day). I also wen once in the early 90's to see the exhibits and go on one of the tours. I heard from a friend that recently they built a museum for the Atlantis (June 0f 2013 I think) and about 4 or 5 years ago made they made a huge complex for a Saturn V that was left over from Apollo.They decided to fully restore it and put on on display inside a huge building along with tons of other displays related to Apollo program. The way NASA does it is you must buy a ticket to the park which has a good bit of things on display including the brand new Atlantis complex.Then you can buy one of three tours via bus (they make stops) of different sections of the complex then each tour ends at the Saturn V complex. The one we went on goes to the Vehicle Assembly Building(VAB). The VAB at one time was the largest building in the world by volume and it still has the largest doors on earth.This is where they assembled the Saturn rockets and later the Shuttles and the SLS will be assembled there as well. Let me tell you walking into this structure will pretty much blow your mind because of what was assembled there but also the engineering that is in the structure itself.when you step inside and look up you can see clear to the ceiling about 526 ft above your head. It is hard to describe its layout without seeing it so I'll just post some pictures of it later.But basically it has two huge sets of doors on the north and south end and four smaller(though still massive) sets of doors on the east and west ends.The vehicle(or very large object) would come in via the north and south doors and they do all the fine tune assembly in one of the smaller bays(large enough to fit a Saturn v) including being placed on top of one of the huge crawlers.then they drive it out the small bay doors. There are four huge cranes inside the largest can handle 320,000 tons() these cranes are so precise you could place and egg under one and have it rest gently on top of the egg and not crack it.The orbiter portion of the shuttle was placed in a special jig when they needed to set it vertical during this process once they had slowly moved it 90 deg they le it sit for at least four hours to make 100% certain that it had stopped swaying before they did anything else. Another cool thing about the side bays was they had been designed for much smaller Saturn V sections but the Orbiter had too large of a wing span So they have had to lift it 80ft in the air where the gaps for the cranes are just large enough pull it up and then through and then lower it down into the bay. They never used the west facing bays for final assembly because doing so would mean extra turns for the crawler to get to its special road way instead they use them mainly for storage and smaller mock ups.At the time they had some mock ups of the new Orion mulch-purpose crew vehicle.I mean real engineering mock ups in one of the side bays they had more but it was behind opaque plastic and we where not allowed back there.They had several displays showing the assembly stages of Saturn V and the Shuttle to give you an idea what it looks like. They also had a display of the various heat tiles and "blankets" which I'm sure they put there after the Columbia loss.The "blankets" which are newer are used on the upper surfaces early on the orbiters had solid tiles on the surface on at the bottom they found during the shuttle program that the "blankets" worked better than tiles did for upper surfaces.These are sown by hand in another facility across the road.All of the tiles and blankets are silica based with varying forms of connection and construction. If you have ever seen photos of the VAB on the south facing side there is an American flag and the NASA emblem.On that flag the stars are six feet tall and the blue area is that same size as an NBA basketball court I'll post a picture of the flag to give you an idea just how massive this building is. The Saturn/Apollo complex is just as awesome the rocket is on display horizontally and is in three sections.The pictures do not do this thing justice honestly they did a very good job with the restoration it looks like in time warped from 1970.In a few areas it is cut away to show what the fuel tank/stowage bay looks like.they also had a lunar rover and a section of Skylab.They also have the Apollo 14 capsule on display. In another room they had several prototype space suits for the Apollo program along with some personal effects of Guss Grissom and Roger Chaffe two of the three astronauts that died in Apollo 1 Grissom's Congressional Space Medal of Honor and a watch that Chaffe almost always wore. The Atlantis complex is very impressive you watch two short films about the shuttle during the last one you stand in special theater when the film is over the screens lift up and you actually see the Atlantis through the screen.It was very nice it actually kind of takes your breath away the way they do it and some people kind of stood there for a few seconds just staring.They have Atlantis suspended as if she is still in orbit and the bays are open and the robotic arm is extended reaching towards the Hubble telescope (or a very well done mock up). You can not go inside the Atlantis (which I like actually) but you can stand very close to her.They just left her as she looked on the last mission so the tiles are scorched and all but it looks very awesome.I have worked on and around aircraft for years but this was still something to see a ship just as she looked after a space mission and she is no mock up she is real the last Orbiter to fly in space.It is really something to see up close and so well displayed.Again photos just do not do her justice.

12-14-13, 11:47 PM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The VAB from about 5 miles away taken from the bus. Hanger used for shuttle Orbiter storage these are near the VAB.they will be re-purposed for the SLS program. USAF Titan IV pad with Titan IV on the pad it was supposed to be launched a week or so ago but they delayed it.The white structure is actually a USAF VAB which is behind the pad. These are regular sized double doors on the NASA VAB to give you an idea how massive the VAB is this was from the bus and we where only about 200ft away. Inside the VAB from the north end looking inside and in the second photo looking upwards.Yeah America baby!! Notice the guys using the crane near the middle we where there about an hour and that object they only had lifted maybe 2 feet I think they where using it to calibrate the crane.The larger flag is about 716 feet away Jiminy Cricket . In the seond photo you can see the cranes as well some are about mid level and some are near the top.I think the crane with the American flag is one of the heavier lifters there was another one parked over one of the bays. Last edited by Stealhead; 12-15-13 at 12:09 AM.

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12-15-13, 12:15 AM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	A shot of the slot where they had to squeeze the shuttle orbiter and the external tank trough.I forgot to take a shot of the lower opening to the side bays they where large but not wide enough for the Orbiters wingspan.those sky light are over 500ft away. And another shot of the large American flag because America even the Hamms drinkers but this one is large and of course is for the bourbon whisky drinkers.Hamms drinkers get ne of those plastic Chinese made American flags.

12-15-13, 12:23 AM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	these are basalts to test the weight limits on the cranes the oversize propane tank can hold up 900,000 gallons of water. This is the pad that the new SLS will use.Sorry the other building totally Bogarted that shot the tower is part of the pad and it and the rocket all mount on top of a crawler for transport.

12-15-13, 12:29 AM	#6
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Thermal tiles An engineering mock up of the SLS Orion capsule.By the way there where 3 security guards watching every move you made in the VAB.

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TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Great pics looks like a good tour.

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Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Prototype Apollo space suits. Makes me think of the suits in Alien A Samurai and Buck Rogers love child. Or old school Iron Man.

12-15-13, 02:09 AM	#11
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	If you question the moon landing the second set of hands will feed you a knuckle sandwich.Hand molds of Neil Armstrong,Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins.They used these when making the various gloves. Apollo 14 capsule

12-15-13, 02:20 AM	#12
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	A million times more impressive in person Atlantis like she just landed.Like I said the way you come in it is really impressive and has an effect on you.Best static display I have ever seen.Some people where actually crying not out of sadness though this is after all the most complex machine made by man.