An honest question for those to the Left...

Bubblehead1980 · 11-14-13, 04:26 PM

Hopefully, can keep this civil.This is a honest question, Obama's poll numbers have fallen to 38-39% or so, I wonder how can they be that high? I understand, some people just won't admit when they are wrong, will go down with a sinking ship, true believers etc. However, most in the 39% may have legitimate reasons for still supporting this man.I am curious as to how and why? Given all the scandals, dirt, etc and now the ultimate symbol of his incompetence, etc, obamacare, is a failure, as knew it would be since it was passed.I just want to know why someone honestly supports him still.

Bilge_Rat · 11-14-13, 04:48 PM

still higher than the lowest poll numbers for Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr., .... so were they failures also?

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFI...cfm#comparison

11-14-13, 04:53 PM

He's in his last term in office so the numbers don't mean crap.
Oh, wait! Congress is gonna impeach him right?
That should take hmmm......
Most of the last few years he'll be in Office?

Ducimus · 11-14-13, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

He's in his last term in office so the numbers don't mean crap.
Oh, wait! Congress is gonna impeach him right?
That should take hmmm......
Most of the last few years he'll be in Office?

At least he's a lame duck. The real question and concern is, just how much more damage is he going to do before were finally rid of his lying ass? I mean, yeah, all politiicans lie, but not blatant and bold faced lies like Obama. Hell, there's video documentation of his reversals all over youtube, but one needs look no further then the Syria "red line" for an example of his blatant lying, let alone his statements about the so called "affordable" health care act.

@ bubbles,
Your not going to get the answer you were looking for. The question your asking is incredibly hard to word properly and not sound like your trying to rub feces in their faces.

AVGWarhawk · 11-14-13, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

At least he's a lame duck. The real question and concern is, just how much more damage is he going to do before were finally rid of his lying ass? I mean, yeah, all politiicans lie, but not blatant and bold faced lies like Obama. Hell, there's video documentation of his reversals all over youtube, but one needs look no further then the Syria "red line" for an example of his blatant lying, let alone his statements about the so called "affordable" health care act.

@ bubbles,
Your not going to get the answer you were looking for. The question your asking is incredibly hard to word properly and not sound like your trying to rub feces in their faces.

He is not a lame duck. He is skirting Constitutional law at will. He is changing laws like his underwear without Congress involvement. His middle name is becoming Executive Orders.

Ducimus · 11-14-13, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

He is not a lame duck. He is skirting Constitutional law at will. He is changing laws like his underwear without Congress involvement. His middle name is becoming Executive Orders.

I didn't think myself all the way through I see. yeah, I forgot about that, though I don't know how. I stand corrected.

AVGWarhawk · 11-14-13, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

still higher than the lowest poll numbers for Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr., .... so were they failures also?

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFI...cfm#comparison

Give it time Bilge. He has 3 years to dig deeper.

vienna · 11-14-13, 04:56 PM

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still higher than the lowest poll numbers for Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr., .... so were they failures also?

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFI...cfm#comparison

I keep telling Bubbles Google is his best friend...

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Armistead · 11-14-13, 05:04 PM

Those supporting him now are his base, same as with any other politician.

vienna · 11-14-13, 05:15 PM

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Those supporting him now are his base, same as with any other politician.

So, the logic would follow that Obama's base is larger than those of Regan, Bush I, and Bush II. Interesting that Obama, an accursed liberal, would have a much more solid base among the population than the god-like mega-conservatives. That may also account for why, on matters such as abortion, prayer in school, and other mega-conservative memes, the polling numbers among the general public tend to be from 60-75% against the mega-conservatives on those issues. Perhaps the far-right perception of their own power base is predicated on false assumptions. I wonder what else they are wrong about...

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GoldenRivet · 11-14-13, 05:29 PM

Approval ratings are not necessarily the best way to gauge actual approval... i say this because i have seen - in the last month - Approval ratings for the current admin run anywhere from 35% to nearly 60% just depending on where you look for the data.

the problem is - were YOU polled?

no you probably weren't. these approval ratings are based off an arbitrary random dialing of 1,000 people and then just estimating that everyone in the nation would fall in line with the same approval : disapproval ratio as the 1,000 people who were polled on that given day.

so when you see that George W. Bush had a national presidential approval rating of say... 40% at any given moment - its the approval rating that 1,000 random people produced at that given moment.

there are what? 300,000,000 people in the United States give or take?

presidential approval ratings are bogus IMHO and are only the "best guess" product of a firm like Gallup.

sarcastically speaking, more work is put into surveying people for answers on "Family Feud".

Survey Says?

its hard to put your fingers upon the pulse of the Nation, especially a nation like the United States of America where the populace is made up of such a diverse, multicultural, multi-ethnic, multilingual, and multi-socioeconomic sampling like we are.

There are those who followed Bush to his political grave, there will be those who will stand by their guy B.O. until the day they line the streets to kis his ass and give him a saintly send off as being the first black president ever to grace the nation. (even though he has about as much in common with American Blacks as White people have in common with polar bears)

I think, in the past here at subsim i have made my opinion of the guy pretty clear, to the point that i literally had to make a post promising to severely limit my participation in politics here in GT. Thats a promise i have held up for years now. Only popping my head in for one or two posts and then excusing myself permanently from the conversation... Most of what i have to say about the current president would probably put me on the news or something. So i will just say that Politics in America has devolved to a point of drawing a line in the sand.

I know Democrat families who wont let their kids play with children from Republican families (and vicey versey)

I have had people become angry and i have had people become elated at the fact that i have a Gadsden Flag and an AR-15 bumper sticker on my truck.

I have lived to a point in my life where i have seen more division in the ranks of my countryman than i ever thought possible.

I have come to a point in time where we have our masters in Washington dominating every intricate detail of our lives with legislation which applies to all but those shouting underneath the domed capital chamber.

Every day we part with a little bigger piece of our rights, every day we accept, we surrender, we cow down to the concept that the men on the hill know how to better run our lives than we do. And so long as the right that is being stripped is not a right you use often or put little value on... its not a big deal to you in particular.

We have come to a point im America where we are encouraged by the government to report our neighbors to the authorities for owning firearms that hold more than 7 rounds.

Not long ago, my grandfather, and many of your grandfathers fought against those who would have you "do your patriotic duty and report your neighbor to the NSDAP for hiding the Jewish rats"

in the end, millions upon millions of people died for that little slice of security. and what have we really learned?

do i blame the current president for this? i hold him responsible, and those who came before him responsible for enabling it.

but the blame? the true people who should be subjected to approval ratings, and blame and responsibility?

the people

because for every single one of you and i who sincerely care about the state of the nation... there are a hundred thousand people who just want to go to starbucks, watch TV, strip themselves of all responsibility and let the men upon the hill do the thinking for them.

personally, I'm disgusted by all of it. And i think we have to try and take back what generations of good men have left for us before it is completely gone.

Skybird · 11-14-13, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Hopefully, can keep this civil.This is a honest question, Obama's poll numbers have fallen to 38-39% or so, I wonder how can they be that high? I understand, some people just won't admit when they are wrong, will go down with a sinking ship, true believers etc. However, most in the 39% may have legitimate reasons for still supporting this man.I am curious as to how and why? Given all the scandals, dirt, etc and now the ultimate symbol of his incompetence, etc, obamacare, is a failure, as knew it would be since it was passed.I just want to know why someone honestly supports him still.

Why? - "It's sufficient to systemize nonsense to make it the belief of many." (Nicolás Gómez Dávila). - That's why.

(translated from this German quote: Es reicht aus, daß man einen Unsinn systematisiert, damit er zur Meinung von vielen wird.

11-14-13, 06:32 PM

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Why? - "It's sufficient to systemize nonsense to make it the belief of many." (Nicolás Gómez Dávila). - That's why.

But is he talking of his belief in the rejection of democratic political powers or his belief in the traditionalist political powers of the Vatican?

Oberon · 11-14-13, 06:34 PM

He's not the messiah, and I think that only his die-hard fans thought that. He's also not the anti-christ, he's just another president who will be gone in three years so another president can take charge and either the same group of people or a different group of people can start complaining about him depending on what political party he is affiliated to.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Ducimus · 11-14-13, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

He's not the messiah, and I think that only his die-hard fans thought that. He's also not the anti-christ, he's just another president who will be gone in three years so another president can take charge and either the same group of people or a different group of people can start complaining about him depending on what political party he is affiliated to.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Here's a thought:
There are congressman who have seen presidents come and go. They must have themselves quite the "good ole boys" club going.

I strongly believe not much is ever going to change in our government, until we have congressional term limits. Limit them to the same as the president, a maximum of two terms. I see this as having innumerable positive effects, but it's a pipe dream. It's asking those in power, to give up that power. A naive altruistic dream at its finest. It won't ever happen.

11-14-13, 04:26 PM	#1
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,105 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	An honest question for those to the Left... Hopefully, can keep this civil.This is a honest question, Obama's poll numbers have fallen to 38-39% or so, I wonder how can they be that high? I understand, some people just won't admit when they are wrong, will go down with a sinking ship, true believers etc. However, most in the 39% may have legitimate reasons for still supporting this man.I am curious as to how and why? Given all the scandals, dirt, etc and now the ultimate symbol of his incompetence, etc, obamacare, is a failure, as knew it would be since it was passed.I just want to know why someone honestly supports him still.

11-14-13, 04:48 PM	#2
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	still higher than the lowest poll numbers for Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr., .... so were they failures also? http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFI...cfm#comparison __________________

11-14-13, 05:04 PM	#9
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Those supporting him now are his base, same as with any other politician. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

11-14-13, 05:29 PM	#11
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Approval ratings are not necessarily the best way to gauge actual approval... i say this because i have seen - in the last month - Approval ratings for the current admin run anywhere from 35% to nearly 60% just depending on where you look for the data. the problem is - were YOU polled? no you probably weren't. these approval ratings are based off an arbitrary random dialing of 1,000 people and then just estimating that everyone in the nation would fall in line with the same approval : disapproval ratio as the 1,000 people who were polled on that given day. so when you see that George W. Bush had a national presidential approval rating of say... 40% at any given moment - its the approval rating that 1,000 random people produced at that given moment. there are what? 300,000,000 people in the United States give or take? presidential approval ratings are bogus IMHO and are only the "best guess" product of a firm like Gallup. sarcastically speaking, more work is put into surveying people for answers on "Family Feud". Survey Says? its hard to put your fingers upon the pulse of the Nation, especially a nation like the United States of America where the populace is made up of such a diverse, multicultural, multi-ethnic, multilingual, and multi-socioeconomic sampling like we are. There are those who followed Bush to his political grave, there will be those who will stand by their guy B.O. until the day they line the streets to kis his ass and give him a saintly send off as being the first black president ever to grace the nation. (even though he has about as much in common with American Blacks as White people have in common with polar bears) I think, in the past here at subsim i have made my opinion of the guy pretty clear, to the point that i literally had to make a post promising to severely limit my participation in politics here in GT. Thats a promise i have held up for years now. Only popping my head in for one or two posts and then excusing myself permanently from the conversation... Most of what i have to say about the current president would probably put me on the news or something. So i will just say that Politics in America has devolved to a point of drawing a line in the sand. I know Democrat families who wont let their kids play with children from Republican families (and vicey versey) I have had people become angry and i have had people become elated at the fact that i have a Gadsden Flag and an AR-15 bumper sticker on my truck. I have lived to a point in my life where i have seen more division in the ranks of my countryman than i ever thought possible. I have come to a point in time where we have our masters in Washington dominating every intricate detail of our lives with legislation which applies to all but those shouting underneath the domed capital chamber. Every day we part with a little bigger piece of our rights, every day we accept, we surrender, we cow down to the concept that the men on the hill know how to better run our lives than we do. And so long as the right that is being stripped is not a right you use often or put little value on... its not a big deal to you in particular. We have come to a point im America where we are encouraged by the government to report our neighbors to the authorities for owning firearms that hold more than 7 rounds. Not long ago, my grandfather, and many of your grandfathers fought against those who would have you "do your patriotic duty and report your neighbor to the NSDAP for hiding the Jewish rats" in the end, millions upon millions of people died for that little slice of security. and what have we really learned? do i blame the current president for this? i hold him responsible, and those who came before him responsible for enabling it. but the blame? the true people who should be subjected to approval ratings, and blame and responsibility? the people because for every single one of you and i who sincerely care about the state of the nation... there are a hundred thousand people who just want to go to starbucks, watch TV, strip themselves of all responsibility and let the men upon the hill do the thinking for them. personally, I'm disgusted by all of it. And i think we have to try and take back what generations of good men have left for us before it is completely gone. __________________

11-14-13, 04:53 PM	#3
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	He's in his last term in office so the numbers don't mean crap. Oh, wait! Congress is gonna impeach him right? That should take hmmm...... Most of the last few years he'll be in Office?

11-14-13, 06:34 PM	#14
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	He's not the messiah, and I think that only his die-hard fans thought that. He's also not the anti-christ, he's just another president who will be gone in three years so another president can take charge and either the same group of people or a different group of people can start complaining about him depending on what political party he is affiliated to. There is nothing new under the sun.