All your First and Fourth are belong to us?

Ducimus · 10-30-13, 02:40 PM

I couldn't come up with a better post title.

Anyway, this appears to be great example of the First and Fourth amendments being disregarded by the government. I think it is, but read it and decide for yourself.

Armed agents seize records of reporter, Washington Times prepares legal action

AVGWarhawk · 10-30-13, 03:18 PM

AA County. That is were I live. This was out a few days ago. It certainly does look like law enforcement overstepped it's bounds.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 10-30-13, 05:10 PM

This kind of thing won't stop because the agent would be personally held responsible for the action.

They should change the law so that when such things happen, it is not just a civil suit, but a criminal one as well. If it did happen, someone in the police force must be held guilty (so it is either specific agents or the commander) and punished with only the maximum prison term (no discretion).

Only with the threat of personal consequences can be have any hope such abuses will be stopped

Platapus · 10-30-13, 05:51 PM

It is not the military we need to be worried about. The police are the agency most likely to infringe on our civil rights.

10-30-13, 07:28 PM

The Santa Rosa shooting did not involve a 'toy gun'.
It was an AirSoft replica of an AK-47 with the orange part removed/painted.
AirSoft and Air Guns are NOT toys! I have a .25 cal that can cause real bad damage out to nearly 100 yards. The SMG 22 is .22 cal and full auto!
If your within 50 yards? It can mow you down. Is that a Toy?
Did the officers over react? I believe so. But I also feel the parents failed thier jobs too.

This is my .25 cal Sniper.

I'd probably be shot if I was seen like this in public!

Wolferz · 10-30-13, 07:53 PM

Does that gilly suit itch?

I think we just discovered Sasquatch.

10-30-13, 08:01 PM

No. It doesn't itch.

Snags alot at times depending on the brush.
Most of my shooting positions are well used and approaches optimized to reduce snags though.

I often wonder if many of the Bigfoot sighting are Kids with something like this though!

TarJak · 10-30-13, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I'd probably be shot if I was seen like this in public!

And so you should be.

10-30-13, 08:36 PM

Who rattled your cage?

TarJak · 10-30-13, 09:57 PM

The shaggy bloke with the air gun.

TorpX · 10-30-13, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

This kind of thing won't stop because the agent would be personally held responsible for the action.

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Only with the threat of personal consequences can be have any hope such abuses will be stopped

I agree. Governments abuse us, legally, economically, sometimes physically, because they can. Only when there are real consequences, will they think twice.

Jimbuna · 10-31-13, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Nancy did tell me you looked smart in your wedding outfit

frau kaleun · 10-31-13, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

And so you should be.

Still better than the codpiece.

AVGWarhawk · 10-31-13, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

WOOKIE

Platapus · 10-31-13, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Camouflage

You are doing it wrong.

10-30-13, 02:40 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	All your First and Fourth are belong to us? I couldn't come up with a better post title. Anyway, this appears to be great example of the First and Fourth amendments being disregarded by the government. I think it is, but read it and decide for yourself. Armed agents seize records of reporter, Washington Times prepares legal action

10-30-13, 03:18 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,256 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	AA County. That is were I live. This was out a few days ago. It certainly does look like law enforcement overstepped it's bounds. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-30-13, 05:51 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It is not the military we need to be worried about. The police are the agency most likely to infringe on our civil rights. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-30-13, 07:53 PM	#6
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Does that gilly suit itch? I think we just discovered Sasquatch. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

10-30-13, 05:10 PM	#3
Kazuaki Shimazaki II Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	This kind of thing won't stop because the agent would be personally held responsible for the action. They should change the law so that when such things happen, it is not just a civil suit, but a criminal one as well. If it did happen, someone in the police force must be held guilty (so it is either specific agents or the commander) and punished with only the maximum prison term (no discretion). Only with the threat of personal consequences can be have any hope such abuses will be stopped

10-30-13, 07:28 PM	#5
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The Santa Rosa shooting did not involve a 'toy gun'. It was an AirSoft replica of an AK-47 with the orange part removed/painted. AirSoft and Air Guns are NOT toys! I have a .25 cal that can cause real bad damage out to nearly 100 yards. The SMG 22 is .22 cal and full auto! If your within 50 yards? It can mow you down. Is that a Toy? Did the officers over react? I believe so. But I also feel the parents failed thier jobs too. This is my .25 cal Sniper. I'd probably be shot if I was seen like this in public!

10-30-13, 08:01 PM	#7
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	No. It doesn't itch. Snags alot at times depending on the brush. Most of my shooting positions are well used and approaches optimized to reduce snags though. I often wonder if many of the Bigfoot sighting are Kids with something like this though!

10-30-13, 08:36 PM	#9
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Who rattled your cage?

10-30-13, 09:57 PM	#10
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	The shaggy bloke with the air gun.