Silent Hunter III or IV

Bobbarry1951 · 08-30-13, 11:36 AM

Long weekend coming up and some rain in the forecast, so I was going to reload Silent Hunter and do a little hunting. I own the retail versions of Gold Edition Wolves of the Pacific (IV, I think) and Silent Hunter III. Operating system is Windows 7 – 64 bit. I really enjoy playing the German campaign. I am not much for playing missions. I see the Wolves of the Pacific includes what they call U-Boat missions which I assume is missions and not a full campaign. I also assume Wolves of the Pacific would have better graphics and Windows 7 stability being the more recent release. So my question is this:

Is there a mod to turn the Wolves of the Pacific U-Boat missions into a full fledged campaign? And if so what would that be?
I do see a mod called Atlantic Campaign for SH4 by Beltza but the file links are no longer valid. Any graphics enhancement mods would be welcome too.

Tangential question – I do recall spending a great deal of playing time dodging aircraft. Now, I know it’s a simulation and has accuracy but I was wondering if there was a way to cut down on the aircraft encounters.

Thanks for any thoughts you have.

in_vino_vomitus · 08-30-13, 11:54 AM

Op Monsun is the mod you want if u-boats are your thing, but it's rather bug-ridden and the guy who wrote it seems to have bowed out of modding. having said that. I'm pretty much hooked on it - There's an environment upgrade that goes with it called OMEGU, or a stripped down version [OMPLOT] - Sailor Steve ported the Das Boot sound mod over - if you install it, bear in mind it takes about 20 mins in JSGME - your machine hasn't crashed

also there a few bits and bobs like german chart labels which help with the look of the thing

Never played SHIII so I couldn't say how it compares

Happy hunting anyway

irish1958 · 08-30-13, 02:13 PM

Play both. With the mega mods thay are both excellent.

BigWalleye · 08-30-13, 03:39 PM

SH4 with OM and OMEGU has better graphics, better sound, better crew management. But somehow, for me, SH3 (with GWX3 or NYGM) is just a much more absorbing game. It feels like a WW2 U-boat -whatever that means. Caution, YMMV!

andycts · 08-30-13, 03:39 PM

As irish said play both,geat sims but dont forget to get the mods.spent many hours on SH3 but could never quite get to grips with SH4.that is until i recently installed it again after a long time of collecting dust.now i just cant seem to stop playing it.

enjoy your weekend and good hunting

Sailor Steve · 08-30-13, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbarry1951

I see the Wolves of the Pacific includes what they call U-Boat missions which I assume is missions and not a full campaign.

U-Boat Missions is, despite the name, a campaign, albeit one involving the Monsun Boats in the Pacific in 1943. Operation Monsun is, despite its name, a full-blown Atlantic campaign covering the entire war.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1097
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1403
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1477
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1336
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1449

Bobbarry1951 · 08-30-13, 04:43 PM

[QUOTE=Sailor Steve;2107937]U-Boat Missions is, despite the name, a campaign, albeit one involving the Monsun Boats in the Pacific in 1943. Operation Monsun is, despite its name, a full-blown Atlantic campaign covering the entire war.

Think I am going to give OM and OMEGU a shot. Thanks for the links. Now, I just need to find the install instructions or mod manager. Thanks All.

in_vino_vomitus · 08-30-13, 05:02 PM

Everything you need, including JSGME is in the downloads section

Bobbarry1951 · 08-31-13, 07:03 AM

There I go exceeding my download limit, guess I will have to wait a day. Thank you all again.

irish1958 · 08-31-13, 07:24 AM

A small donation does wonders for your download limit.

Sailor Steve · 08-31-13, 09:57 AM

While I linked to Op Monsun downloads, I didn't give my take on the question of SH3 or SH4.

SH4 hast the benefit of better graphics of course, but it also has interesting operational procedures. One of these is having the crew automatically organized into watch shifts, so they rotate themselves automatically, as they should. In SH3 you have to either move them around yourself or remove the fatigue function altogether. The other advantage SH4 has in that area is the "Battle Stations" function, AKA "General Quarters". This not only puts the entire crew on duty, but also puts the best available man at each station.

On the other hand SH3 has mods that have still never been done for SH4. SH3 has mods available that put working lock gates at canal and secure harbor entrances. That's not much, but I have a hard time going through the Kiel Canal without it. GWX4 was intended to add all that and more, but was never really started, let alone finished. Also there is nothing to compare with SH3 Commander, which lets you control game parameters directly instead of digging into the game files, and adds names, crew and cargo loadouts to the reports of ships you sink. Again, for some people that's nothing, but for me it's everything. And then there's the Merchant Fleet Mod, which adds more than one hundred different merchant types to the game.

Simply put, if SH4 had the mods SH3 has I would have shelved SH3 years ago.

Actually, if SH5 had something like that I wouldn't play anything else. As it is now I'll play anything but.

andycts · 08-31-13, 10:57 AM

Well said steve

on the subject of SH3 commander,i remember some time ago reading on the forums that someone was working on a version for SH4.what happened to this is it still being worked on or has it been shelved?

Rockin Robbins · 08-31-13, 12:10 PM

I find that SH3 is more clunky and the crew management system is too fussy but the atmospherics of SH3 just blow away anything SH4 has to offer. You just get the idea that SH4 is oversanitized or something. SH3 is dark and just feels appropriate to the subject matter.

Sailor Steve · 08-31-13, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andycts

Well said steve

on the subject of SH3 commander,i remember some time ago reading on the forums that someone was working on a version for SH4.what happened to this is it still being worked on or has it been shelved?

That was many years ago. The guy who was making it happen just left one day and never came back.

andycts · 08-31-13, 03:39 PM

"That was many years ago. The guy who was making it happen just left one day and never came back."

Sorry to hear that.i'm no modder but how much work would be involved in making this.This could add an all new dimension to SH4.with permission cant much of the stuff in SH3 commander be ported over to SH4.I realize,not knowing the subject that i am making it sound over simplistic but it would be such a great addon to have.Wish i could mod lol.

good hunting

08-30-13, 11:36 AM	#1
Bobbarry1951 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter III or IV Long weekend coming up and some rain in the forecast, so I was going to reload Silent Hunter and do a little hunting. I own the retail versions of Gold Edition Wolves of the Pacific (IV, I think) and Silent Hunter III. Operating system is Windows 7 – 64 bit. I really enjoy playing the German campaign. I am not much for playing missions. I see the Wolves of the Pacific includes what they call U-Boat missions which I assume is missions and not a full campaign. I also assume Wolves of the Pacific would have better graphics and Windows 7 stability being the more recent release. So my question is this: Is there a mod to turn the Wolves of the Pacific U-Boat missions into a full fledged campaign? And if so what would that be? I do see a mod called Atlantic Campaign for SH4 by Beltza but the file links are no longer valid. Any graphics enhancement mods would be welcome too. Tangential question – I do recall spending a great deal of playing time dodging aircraft. Now, I know it’s a simulation and has accuracy but I was wondering if there was a way to cut down on the aircraft encounters. Thanks for any thoughts you have.

08-30-13, 11:54 AM	#2
in_vino_vomitus XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Preston, Lancs, UK Posts: 418 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Op Monsun is the mod you want if u-boats are your thing, but it's rather bug-ridden and the guy who wrote it seems to have bowed out of modding. having said that. I'm pretty much hooked on it - There's an environment upgrade that goes with it called OMEGU, or a stripped down version [OMPLOT] - Sailor Steve ported the Das Boot sound mod over - if you install it, bear in mind it takes about 20 mins in JSGME - your machine hasn't crashed also there a few bits and bobs like german chart labels which help with the look of the thing Never played SHIII so I couldn't say how it compares Happy hunting anyway __________________ Forget death - I'll take dishonour! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] TMO 2.5 1.5 Optical Targeting Correction 031312 for TMO 2.5 1.5 OTC Realistic Scopes for TMO TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbance_v2_0_SH4 Improved Stock environment v3_TMO&RFB TMO_Alt_engine-sounds TMO_Alternate_JS_Radar_performance TMO17_19_different_smoke

08-30-13, 02:13 PM	#3
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Play both. With the mega mods thay are both excellent. __________________ Irish1958

08-30-13, 03:39 PM	#5
andycts Seaman Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Yorkshire,UK Posts: 32 Downloads: 232 Uploads: 0	As irish said play both,geat sims but dont forget to get the mods.spent many hours on SH3 but could never quite get to grips with SH4.that is until i recently installed it again after a long time of collecting dust.now i just cant seem to stop playing it. enjoy your weekend and good hunting __________________ TMO 2.5 OTC for TMO 2.5 OTC realistic scopes ISE v3 TMO&RFB LST TMO v2 TDW ship plane fire damage Websters real lifeboat fix TMO different smoke

08-30-13, 05:02 PM	#8
in_vino_vomitus XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Preston, Lancs, UK Posts: 418 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Everything you need, including JSGME is in the downloads section __________________ Forget death - I'll take dishonour! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] TMO 2.5 1.5 Optical Targeting Correction 031312 for TMO 2.5 1.5 OTC Realistic Scopes for TMO TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbance_v2_0_SH4 Improved Stock environment v3_TMO&RFB TMO_Alt_engine-sounds TMO_Alternate_JS_Radar_performance TMO17_19_different_smoke

08-30-13, 03:39 PM	#4
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	SH4 with OM and OMEGU has better graphics, better sound, better crew management. But somehow, for me, SH3 (with GWX3 or NYGM) is just a much more absorbing game. It feels like a WW2 U-boat -whatever that means. Caution, YMMV!

08-30-13, 04:43 PM	#7
Bobbarry1951 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	[QUOTE=Sailor Steve;2107937]U-Boat Missions is, despite the name, a campaign, albeit one involving the Monsun Boats in the Pacific in 1943. Operation Monsun is, despite its name, a full-blown Atlantic campaign covering the entire war. Think I am going to give OM and OMEGU a shot. Thanks for the links. Now, I just need to find the install instructions or mod manager. Thanks All.

08-31-13, 07:03 AM	#9
Bobbarry1951 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	There I go exceeding my download limit, guess I will have to wait a day. Thank you all again.

08-31-13, 07:24 AM	#10
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	A small donation does wonders for your download limit. __________________ Irish1958

08-31-13, 09:57 AM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	While I linked to Op Monsun downloads, I didn't give my take on the question of SH3 or SH4. SH4 hast the benefit of better graphics of course, but it also has interesting operational procedures. One of these is having the crew automatically organized into watch shifts, so they rotate themselves automatically, as they should. In SH3 you have to either move them around yourself or remove the fatigue function altogether. The other advantage SH4 has in that area is the "Battle Stations" function, AKA "General Quarters". This not only puts the entire crew on duty, but also puts the best available man at each station. On the other hand SH3 has mods that have still never been done for SH4. SH3 has mods available that put working lock gates at canal and secure harbor entrances. That's not much, but I have a hard time going through the Kiel Canal without it. GWX4 was intended to add all that and more, but was never really started, let alone finished. Also there is nothing to compare with SH3 Commander, which lets you control game parameters directly instead of digging into the game files, and adds names, crew and cargo loadouts to the reports of ships you sink. Again, for some people that's nothing, but for me it's everything. And then there's the Merchant Fleet Mod, which adds more than one hundred different merchant types to the game. Simply put, if SH4 had the mods SH3 has I would have shelved SH3 years ago. Actually, if SH5 had something like that I wouldn't play anything else. As it is now I'll play anything but. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-31-13, 10:57 AM	#12
andycts Seaman Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Yorkshire,UK Posts: 32 Downloads: 232 Uploads: 0	Well said steve on the subject of SH3 commander,i remember some time ago reading on the forums that someone was working on a version for SH4.what happened to this is it still being worked on or has it been shelved? __________________ TMO 2.5 OTC for TMO 2.5 OTC realistic scopes ISE v3 TMO&RFB LST TMO v2 TDW ship plane fire damage Websters real lifeboat fix TMO different smoke

08-31-13, 12:10 PM	#13
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I find that SH3 is more clunky and the crew management system is too fussy but the atmospherics of SH3 just blow away anything SH4 has to offer. You just get the idea that SH4 is oversanitized or something. SH3 is dark and just feels appropriate to the subject matter. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-31-13, 03:39 PM	#15
andycts Seaman Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Yorkshire,UK Posts: 32 Downloads: 232 Uploads: 0	"That was many years ago. The guy who was making it happen just left one day and never came back." Sorry to hear that.i'm no modder but how much work would be involved in making this.This could add an all new dimension to SH4.with permission cant much of the stuff in SH3 commander be ported over to SH4.I realize,not knowing the subject that i am making it sound over simplistic but it would be such a great addon to have.Wish i could mod lol. good hunting __________________ TMO 2.5 OTC for TMO 2.5 OTC realistic scopes ISE v3 TMO&RFB LST TMO v2 TDW ship plane fire damage Websters real lifeboat fix TMO different smoke