John McCain (r) playing politics...

CaptainHaplo · 07-07-13, 01:02 PM

Well, McCain is getting it WAY wrong.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tors-disagree/

Just because he has an "r" by his name doesn't make him immune to being an idiot.

Wolferz · 07-07-13, 03:16 PM

Doesn't the "r" stand for "retardlican"?

No offense to REAL Republicans.

07-07-13, 05:07 PM

Since the action is by definition a coup and since a coup gives automatic suspension of aid McCain is right.
Then again the aid was initially set up to support a military dictatorship so it should continue if the military overthrows an elected government in a coup.

Skybird · 07-07-13, 06:02 PM

I recommend to have a look into a history book and what the Egyptian military's role has been in modernising Egypt and keeping religious fascists in check. They are - by far - the lesser evil. That militzary löeaders have established a system of shadow economy in egypt making them quite powerful, can be forgiven , considering the benefit of the military rule.

Western politicians that demand card blanche for Islamic fundamentalists under the cover of "democracy", imo simply do not know what they are talking about. Ironically this is often the same people who complain that Hindenburg did not object to the election of Hitler as chancellor (although by the laws of that time Hindenburg had no other option). We now wish he would have violated the precious law indeed, don't we.

What can be said about the stupid Western demands regarding the Egyptian military, is true for the as stupid Western demands regarding the Turkish ,military as well. The events in Egypt now may or may not qualify for the description of a coup, but that question is not really important. Fact remains that there are much worse scenarios than even a military dictatorship again. Priority should have the the reviving of the economy, for which stability is a necessity, and a more or less functional justice system. From a Western perspective, we should give more attention to who inflicts more racist discrimination and suppression to Jews and Christians, and while the Mubarak regime opportunistically played that card itself repeatedly, violence against and suppression of the Christian minority and rapes of Christian women by Muslim scum have increased significantly in Egypt since Mursi became president. Relations to Israel detoriated, security and counter-terror declined, the Sinai is mostly no longer controlled by the Egyptians anymore, but by predatory b eduins and terror groups. The movement rate of Christians that flee from Egypt currently is as high as it has not been for several decades. But hey, that does not matter, Mursi got democratically elected, so lets condemn that he was removed!

Who wants to defend the government of the MB? For them, that quote by Sultan Erdoghan is true as well: democracy is a train that you ride until you have reached your destination; but once you are there, you leave it behind and don't care for it anymore.

I recommend we leave it all alone and keep our mouths shut. Let the Egyptian people settle this themselves. The more religious-fundamentalist the next government turns out to , the less we shall desire to have anything to do with it, and the less we shall waste our precious resources on it. And do not be mistaken on how it turns out, I predict that the religious side will become more radical and powerful and will get growing support from people who previously were not in explicit support or had sympathy for the MB. The more secular opposition will turn weaker, and so I think that sooner or later it is either the military picking up all the strings and then control the political stage, or the fundamentalists will return- stronger than before. Democracy only rarely, if ever, works as intended in the ME.

Sailor Steve · 07-07-13, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Doesn't the "r" stand for "retardlican"?

No offense to REAL Republicans.

I think "Repuplitard" would roll of the tongue more easily. It would also find an easy match in "Demotard".

07-07-13, 08:57 PM

McCain is a liberal progressive independent first, liberal progressive democrat second, and only a liberal progressive republican as a last resort when he needs the R by his name to get elected.

he is the non funny version of barney fife in congress

Wolferz · 07-07-13, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I think "Repuplitard" would roll of the tongue more easily. It would also find an easy match in "Demotard".

I concur

Let's coin a new one, shall we?

Polititards
Notice the tit in the middle?

Kind of like leotards in that they're always up tight in the crotch.

McCain did start out as a jarhead after all so, it's to be expected.

Skybird · 07-08-13, 06:30 AM

"Compared to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaeda is paltry". Interview with a former activist and chief editor of the MB on the power and tremendous influence of the MB, and the danger it means. In German.

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...-armselig.html

Spiced_Rum · 07-08-13, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolferz

I concur

Let's coin a new one, shall we?

Polititards
Notice the tit in the middle?

Kind of like leotards in that they're always up tight in the crotch.

McCain did start out as a jarhead after all so, it's to be expected.

Capitol looks like a giant tit, so your new term seems appropriate.

Jarhead but at least he served.

Wolferz · 07-08-13, 07:39 AM

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by Spiced Rum
Jarhead but at least he served.

Yes he did, like myself and many others and I have the utmost respect for his service.

I, admittedly, lack respect for polititards, which McCain is now a member of the club. Wouldn't it have been better if the Marine Corps had refilled his jar when his service came to an end?

CaptainHaplo · 07-08-13, 07:48 AM

John McCain served in the navy, not in the marines. His son is/was a marine.

The senator referred to in the OP is well known for having been shot down and been a POW for quite some time.

I have some respect for the guy, but he is just dead wrong on this issue. The thing is, he is pushing it not because its the right thing to do for our country, but because it would make the president look worse over this whole "arab spring" crap. I don't appreciate political expediency over the good of the country.

Platapus · 07-08-13, 06:50 PM

Beware of old men eager to send young men (women) to war.

Ducimus · 07-08-13, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Beware of old men eager to send young men (women) to war.

Most definitely.

Wolferz · 07-08-13, 07:45 PM

I stand corrected. Yes, McCain was a navy pilot who spent a long time in the Hanoi Hilton, which I forgot about.

Graduated from Annapolis which means he became an officer by an act of congress.
I preferred officers who were there by the grace of God and came up through the ranks and officer candidate school. Much less snobby than the ones who got their rank from a recommendation letter with the signature of some high muckety muck.
And now he's a polititard, earning that title almost daily.

Skybird · 07-09-13, 10:13 AM

Al Baradei says Mursi's fall was no coup.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-909976.html

Not that I am a fan of Al Baradai. That as chief of the watchdog he deceived the world over the Iranian program, lied about the info status of the agency, played down intel on the Iranian preogram and thereby helped Iran to advance it by hindering Western understanding about it, I take extremely queer and will never forget.

07-07-13, 01:02 PM	#1
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	John McCain (r) playing politics... Well, McCain is getting it WAY wrong. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tors-disagree/ Just because he has an "r" by his name doesn't make him immune to being an idiot. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

07-07-13, 03:16 PM	#2
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Doesn't the "r" stand for "retardlican"? No offense to REAL Republicans. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

07-07-13, 06:02 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I recommend to have a look into a history book and what the Egyptian military's role has been in modernising Egypt and keeping religious fascists in check. They are - by far - the lesser evil. That militzary löeaders have established a system of shadow economy in egypt making them quite powerful, can be forgiven , considering the benefit of the military rule. Western politicians that demand card blanche for Islamic fundamentalists under the cover of "democracy", imo simply do not know what they are talking about. Ironically this is often the same people who complain that Hindenburg did not object to the election of Hitler as chancellor (although by the laws of that time Hindenburg had no other option). We now wish he would have violated the precious law indeed, don't we. What can be said about the stupid Western demands regarding the Egyptian military, is true for the as stupid Western demands regarding the Turkish ,military as well. The events in Egypt now may or may not qualify for the description of a coup, but that question is not really important. Fact remains that there are much worse scenarios than even a military dictatorship again. Priority should have the the reviving of the economy, for which stability is a necessity, and a more or less functional justice system. From a Western perspective, we should give more attention to who inflicts more racist discrimination and suppression to Jews and Christians, and while the Mubarak regime opportunistically played that card itself repeatedly, violence against and suppression of the Christian minority and rapes of Christian women by Muslim scum have increased significantly in Egypt since Mursi became president. Relations to Israel detoriated, security and counter-terror declined, the Sinai is mostly no longer controlled by the Egyptians anymore, but by predatory b eduins and terror groups. The movement rate of Christians that flee from Egypt currently is as high as it has not been for several decades. But hey, that does not matter, Mursi got democratically elected, so lets condemn that he was removed! Who wants to defend the government of the MB? For them, that quote by Sultan Erdoghan is true as well: democracy is a train that you ride until you have reached your destination; but once you are there, you leave it behind and don't care for it anymore. I recommend we leave it all alone and keep our mouths shut. Let the Egyptian people settle this themselves. The more religious-fundamentalist the next government turns out to , the less we shall desire to have anything to do with it, and the less we shall waste our precious resources on it. And do not be mistaken on how it turns out, I predict that the religious side will become more radical and powerful and will get growing support from people who previously were not in explicit support or had sympathy for the MB. The more secular opposition will turn weaker, and so I think that sooner or later it is either the military picking up all the strings and then control the political stage, or the fundamentalists will return- stronger than before. Democracy only rarely, if ever, works as intended in the ME. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-07-13 at 06:14 PM.

07-08-13, 06:30 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"Compared to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaeda is paltry". Interview with a former activist and chief editor of the MB on the power and tremendous influence of the MB, and the danger it means. In German. http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...-armselig.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-13, 07:48 AM	#11
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	John McCain served in the navy, not in the marines. His son is/was a marine. The senator referred to in the OP is well known for having been shot down and been a POW for quite some time. I have some respect for the guy, but he is just dead wrong on this issue. The thing is, he is pushing it not because its the right thing to do for our country, but because it would make the president look worse over this whole "arab spring" crap. I don't appreciate political expediency over the good of the country. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

07-07-13, 05:07 PM	#3
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Since the action is by definition a coup and since a coup gives automatic suspension of aid McCain is right. Then again the aid was initially set up to support a military dictatorship so it should continue if the military overthrows an elected government in a coup.

07-07-13, 08:57 PM	#6
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	McCain is a liberal progressive independent first, liberal progressive democrat second, and only a liberal progressive republican as a last resort when he needs the R by his name to get elected. he is the non funny version of barney fife in congress

07-08-13, 06:50 PM	#12
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Beware of old men eager to send young men (women) to war. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-08-13, 07:45 PM	#14
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	I stand corrected. Yes, McCain was a navy pilot who spent a long time in the Hanoi Hilton, which I forgot about. Graduated from Annapolis which means he became an officer by an act of congress. I preferred officers who were there by the grace of God and came up through the ranks and officer candidate school. Much less snobby than the ones who got their rank from a recommendation letter with the signature of some high muckety muck. And now he's a polititard, earning that title almost daily. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

07-09-13, 10:13 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Al Baradei says Mursi's fall was no coup. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-909976.html Not that I am a fan of Al Baradai. That as chief of the watchdog he deceived the world over the Iranian program, lied about the info status of the agency, played down intel on the Iranian preogram and thereby helped Iran to advance it by hindering Western understanding about it, I take extremely queer and will never forget. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.