This surprises me at times

RConch · 06-24-13, 09:00 AM

When we discuss tactics and what to do when it all falls apart, no one seems to mention "Bold" as part of the escape plan when under attack.
I have had some success using them and my crew appreciates it.

Along with very deep and silent, bold makes the "hat trick" of defenses uderwater.

Just my two cents.

Gerald · 06-24-13, 09:03 AM

I use BOLD with good results, certainly not as deep, but at the surface and a few meters down, it works well

flag4 · 06-24-13, 10:00 AM

...when was it first introduced?

Edit:

...just found this on U-Boat Aces....

BOLD Canisters

This was a metal canister about 3.9 inches in diameter, filled with calcium hydride which gave off large quantities of gas when mixed with sea water. It was launched from a special tube and on release, sea water seeped into a special valve which reacted with the chemical. The valve would open and shut, causing the canister to stay at a certain depth until the compound was depleted in about 20 to 25 minutes. To underwater locating devices such as sonar, the resulting bubble cloud could resemble a submerged U-boat, and unless the sonar operator was especially skilled, it was often difficult to distinguish from a real target. The allies called this a “Submarine Bubble Target” (SBT). BOLD was widely used from 1942 onwards, with new and improved versions being developed until the end of the war. The last was BOLD 5, and was intended for use at depths of up to 200 meters.
Sieglinde

Similar to BOLD, this device was a slight variation where it was designed to resemble a submerged U-boat moving at 6 knots. These two were normally used together.
Siegmund

This was an anti-sonar device which emitted a series of deafening explosions and were intended to blackout the enemy’s listening gear. The U-boat would make its getaway by altering course or running at high speed during this short period.

...this last one sounds very interesting. is this scripted into SH3?

ive never made made it into 1942, so this would explain a lot!

Jimbuna · 06-24-13, 11:24 AM

Siegmund

Not scripted.

vanjast · 06-25-13, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rconch

When we discuss tactics and what to do when it all falls apart, no one seems to mention "Bold" as part of the escape plan when under attack.

There's one problem using BOLD.. it tells every ASW ship in the area that you're around here somewhere.. like bees to the honey pot.

As far as possible - Silence is usually the better option.

RConch · 06-25-13, 09:09 AM

I agree on silence first-but if I am using Bold, then they are already on my tail.

vanjast · 06-25-13, 02:51 PM

Agreed, but if they lose you they do not have a reference position from which to start a search pattern... a BOLD gives them that reference, making it easier to find you again.

This seems to modeled in the game (or the AI follows a similar pattern). I used a BOLD before and had the buggers all over me, so I decided not to use it and found I escaped easier.

Jimbuna · 06-25-13, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanjast

Agreed, but if they lose you they do not have a reference position from which to start a search pattern... a BOLD gives them that reference, making it easier to find you again.

This seems to modeled in the game (or the AI follows a similar pattern). I used a BOLD before and had the buggers all over me, so I decided not to use it and found I escaped easier.

Precisely

flag4 · 06-25-13, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanjast

Agreed, but if they lose you they do not have a reference position from which to start a search pattern... a BOLD gives them that reference, making it easier to find you again.

This seems to modeled in the game (or the AI follows a similar pattern). I used a BOLD before and had the buggers all over me, so I decided not to use it and found I escaped easier.

...wonder how that panned out in real life?

(damn, whish I could out on the boat now, but I gotta go to bed

)

vanjast · 06-25-13, 05:22 PM

It probably would have been the same... An inexperienced captain might have charged the BOLD and DC'd it to death. whereas an experienced sonar operator and captain would know that a sub can only go so fast underwater without being detected, and adjusted his search pattern accordingly - The subs dead meat.
Also there would have been co-operative communication from Western Approaches informing captains and sonar operators of BOLDs that would eventually nullify the BOLD's effects.

06-24-13, 09:00 AM	#1
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	This surprises me at times When we discuss tactics and what to do when it all falls apart, no one seems to mention "Bold" as part of the escape plan when under attack. I have had some success using them and my crew appreciates it. Along with very deep and silent, bold makes the "hat trick" of defenses uderwater. Just my two cents. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

06-24-13, 09:03 AM	#2
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	I use BOLD with good results, certainly not as deep, but at the surface and a few meters down, it works well __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-24-13, 10:00 AM	#3
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	...when was it first introduced? Edit: ...just found this on U-Boat Aces.... BOLD Canisters This was a metal canister about 3.9 inches in diameter, filled with calcium hydride which gave off large quantities of gas when mixed with sea water. It was launched from a special tube and on release, sea water seeped into a special valve which reacted with the chemical. The valve would open and shut, causing the canister to stay at a certain depth until the compound was depleted in about 20 to 25 minutes. To underwater locating devices such as sonar, the resulting bubble cloud could resemble a submerged U-boat, and unless the sonar operator was especially skilled, it was often difficult to distinguish from a real target. The allies called this a “Submarine Bubble Target” (SBT). BOLD was widely used from 1942 onwards, with new and improved versions being developed until the end of the war. The last was BOLD 5, and was intended for use at depths of up to 200 meters. Sieglinde Similar to BOLD, this device was a slight variation where it was designed to resemble a submerged U-boat moving at 6 knots. These two were normally used together. Siegmund This was an anti-sonar device which emitted a series of deafening explosions and were intended to blackout the enemy’s listening gear. The U-boat would make its getaway by altering course or running at high speed during this short period. ...this last one sounds very interesting. is this scripted into SH3? ive never made made it into 1942, so this would explain a lot! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

06-24-13, 11:24 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Siegmund Not scripted. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-25-13, 09:09 AM	#6
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	I agree on silence first-but if I am using Bold, then they are already on my tail. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

06-25-13, 02:51 PM	#7
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Agreed, but if they lose you they do not have a reference position from which to start a search pattern... a BOLD gives them that reference, making it easier to find you again. This seems to modeled in the game (or the AI follows a similar pattern). I used a BOLD before and had the buggers all over me, so I decided not to use it and found I escaped easier.

06-25-13, 05:22 PM	#10
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	It probably would have been the same... An inexperienced captain might have charged the BOLD and DC'd it to death. whereas an experienced sonar operator and captain would know that a sub can only go so fast underwater without being detected, and adjusted his search pattern accordingly - The subs dead meat. Also there would have been co-operative communication from Western Approaches informing captains and sonar operators of BOLDs that would eventually nullify the BOLD's effects.