TDW's Patcher and Torpedo Chances?

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 03:09 PM

Hey Guys

So i have changed around my mod list again and updated and added a few mods, i updated TDW's Generic Patcher and enabled the Torpedo Patches.

After testing a few times on the TDW's Torpedo Tutorial on the Historical mission screen i would say that most of my Torpedos did not work.
I tried using Magnetic Torpedoes sending them about 1/2-meter under the targets keel AOB was from 90 to 136 Degrees. Impact Torpedoes around 2-3 meters deep and AOB of 90-136 degrees.

For the total of 15 Torpedoes fired only 4 worked, the rest bounced or went under the keel

I have read up that impact should be used for a AOB of 90 degrees and i understand that.

I just want to check if this is right, im sure im doing something wrong?

Here is my patcher....

And my mods....

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS]

TDW_GenericPatcher_v_1_0_112_0
German U-Boat Crew Language Pack
Wordeees' Actual Footage Menu
Accurate German Flags
SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2
SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2.2 Patch
Fix SteelViking-HotSoup-WaterDrips
Fuel Gauge WoGaDi_SteelViking's Interior
Fix clock rear torpedo room VIIA
silentmichals interior mod 1.2.1
DynEnv v2.9 - 1. Main Mod
DynEnv v2.9 - 3.b Enhanced Visibility (high)
DynEnv v2.9 - 4.a Camera Filters - Realistic Colors
DynEnv v2.9 - 5.b Ambient Settings - No Murky Waters
DynEnv v2.9 - 6. Sleet for Winter Campaigns
DynEnv v2.9 - 8.a Wave Mechanics - Breeze
DynEnv v2.9 - 10.I Seafloor (high resolution)
DynEnv v2.9 - 11.a.I Sea Plants - Atlantic Kelp Forests (high resolution)
DynEnv v2.9 - 12. Sounds
sobers smoke screen V1 SH5 (DynEnv compatible)
sobers best ever fog V22 SH5
SH5_7A_Conning_Fix
Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_byTheBeast
Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1
#Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1_HotFix
Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1 (available by date) V9 by sober
EUF_UBoat_FX_v0_0_3_ byTheBeast
SH5 Longer Repairs v.1
AI_sub_crew_1_0_2_TheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith
FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches)
New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Alt w beards
MCCD_1.04_MFCM_1.2.1_compatible
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional louder engine sounds
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional scary creaks
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 additional crew sounds beta6
Stormys_DBSM_additional_creaks_and_noises_1.0
NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ByTheDarkWraith
NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_New_radio_messages_German
NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_jimimadrids_map_tools
NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ERM_Reaper7_NightVision_Black_Ski n
NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_WWIIInterface_by_naights
Church's Compass Dials Mod v2.2 - Option Two
Sjizzle's - Charts for NewUIs part1_27.05.2013
Manos Scopes-patch for 16x9
gap - HD 1 deg Scope Bearing v 1.0
IRAI_0_0_39_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_39_ByTheDarkWraith_Patch_1
R.E.M_by_Xrundel_TheBeast_1.2
R.E.M. - hydrophone mute for player fix (TDW compatible)
SubFlags_0_0_8_byTheDarkWraith
DBSM_Music_1_0_4
OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2
Reworked Morale and Abilities v.1.1
Sub_Exhaust_1_0_5_byTheDarkWraith
Shadow Improvement Mod
TDW Round Fire Button v11 by Torpedo
AST_SH5_v2
Alternate Sinking Mechanism (AST) (edited + modified for AI Damage Control Patch)
SH5Lifeboats_by_Rongel_TDW_stoianm_v2.11
SH5Lifeboat_Wooden ver. 0.2
EQuaTool 01.01 by AvM - Kriegsmarine Regular Style
stoianm pitch&roll for SH5 V1 (low)
Grossdeutscher Rundfunk
RPM Hydrophone merchants 2.1 -for OHII full v2.2-
Change days in bunker
MyKey

Thanks guys as i said i just want to check i have enabled all the patches right? or if this is some sort of user error

Edit or perhaps it's working as intended

Fifi · 06-05-13, 03:39 PM

Your patcher is ok

Check if FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) isn't overwriten...if yes, put it last in you list.
Maybe New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on is overwriting it?

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Your patcher is ok

Check if FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) isn't overwriten...if yes, put it last in you list.
Maybe New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on is overwriting it?

Thanks Fifi

I'll pull the mods out and try them again, then i'll report back

Fifi · 06-05-13, 04:05 PM

But keep in mind torpedoes at war start were very defective.
Don't expect a 90% success each time you fire

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 04:32 PM

Ok so i don't think there is an overwrite issue, here is all the Torpedo file overwrites i get....

When i add....

FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches)

I get this message...

"torpedoes_g7a-e.sim" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"Torpedos_AI.sim" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.

When i add....
New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on

I get this message....

"TDW_FXU_Torp_Explosion_Materials.DAT" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"TDW_FXU_Torp_Explosion_Particles.DAT" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.

When i add....

Alternate Sinking Mechanism (AST) (edited + modified for AI Damage Control Patch)

I get this message ....

"torpedoes_g7a-e.zon" has already been altered by the "AST_SH5_v2" mod.

That is using the list order above

Could it be because i have enabled TDW's patcher as a mod???

Fifi · 06-05-13, 05:29 PM

Best is to install patcher as stand alone, not mod

Very easy to do.
Follow this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...34&postcount=4

Then install FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) at the end of your list and go!

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Best is to install patcher as stand alone, not mod

Very easy to do.
Follow this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...34&postcount=4

Then install FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) at the end of your list and go!

Thanks Fifi,

I will give it a try. I used the how to thread by Trevally to install as a mod.
Would you know of a how to guide for installing the patcher as a stand alone?

Thanks

Fifi · 06-05-13, 05:40 PM

Just gave you a link! It's all explained...

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Just gave you a link! It's all explained...

Sorry, i need to open my eyes a bit more

Thanks again

volodya61 · 06-05-13, 05:56 PM

Tiberius, see here -
these are T1 torpedo failure settings (pistols 39 - 08/43, pistols 08/43 - 45, other issues 39 - 12/42 + 12/42 - 45)

.

PS: magnetic detonators range 3m because I use 3m..

Delta Wolf · 06-05-13, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya61

Tiberius, see here -
these are T1 torpedo failure settings (pistols 39 - 08/43, pistols 08/43 - 45, other issues 39 - 12/42 + 12/42 - 45)

.

PS: magnetic detonators range 3m because I use 3m..

Hey Volodya61,

Thanks for the reply, sorry im still quite new to this

Does this mean that T1 Torpedoes have a max depth /range of 3 meters deep? or 3 meters below Keel?

Thanks

Edit: I can see the deviation for depth keeping but just a bit unsure

volodya61 · 06-06-13, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiberiusXIV

Hey Volodya61,

Thanks for the reply, sorry im still quite new to this

Does this mean that T1 Torpedoes have a max depth /range of 3 meters deep? or 3 meters below Keel?

Thanks
Edit: I can see the deviation for depth keeping but just a bit unsure

It means that T1's magnetic detonator has range of activation = 3 meters..

Delta Wolf · 06-06-13, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya61

It means that T1's magnetic detonator has range of activation = 3 meters..

Thank you

divingbluefrog · 06-06-13, 09:49 AM

The settings choose by TDW are even generous with us as historically the max angle for impact was 30° (i.e 90 to 120).
What isn't indicated anywhere is that this value (min_angle) is true in both horizontal AND vertical plan.
For example if you fired at a NKSCS_N3SA1 (refered as Small Merchant) with a 90° horizontal angle but a deepth > 2m, the torpedo will bounce over the hull due to the curve of itself.
My guess is that the deepth at which you fire your torpedoes is too high.
When using impact detonator, it always a compromise between a short depth, to avoid the above mentioned problem, and a deeper one to avoid the risk of premature detonation. Shooting a small merchant with wind >= 10 is nearly impossible, as I use a rule of thumb of a min deepth > windspeed/3 (with the same Env mod as yours).

volodya61 · 06-06-13, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divingbluefrog

The settings choose by TDW are even generous with us as historically...

These are stock settings.. choose by devs

I only edited the chance lines.. (0-1) = (0-100%)

06-05-13, 03:09 PM	#1
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	TDW's Patcher and Torpedo Chances? Hey Guys So i have changed around my mod list again and updated and added a few mods, i updated TDW's Generic Patcher and enabled the Torpedo Patches. After testing a few times on the TDW's Torpedo Tutorial on the Historical mission screen i would say that most of my Torpedos did not work. I tried using Magnetic Torpedoes sending them about 1/2-meter under the targets keel AOB was from 90 to 136 Degrees. Impact Torpedoes around 2-3 meters deep and AOB of 90-136 degrees. For the total of 15 Torpedoes fired only 4 worked, the rest bounced or went under the keel I have read up that impact should be used for a AOB of 90 degrees and i understand that. I just want to check if this is right, im sure im doing something wrong? Here is my patcher.... And my mods.... Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157 [C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS] TDW_GenericPatcher_v_1_0_112_0 German U-Boat Crew Language Pack Wordeees' Actual Footage Menu Accurate German Flags SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2 SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2.2 Patch Fix SteelViking-HotSoup-WaterDrips Fuel Gauge WoGaDi_SteelViking's Interior Fix clock rear torpedo room VIIA silentmichals interior mod 1.2.1 DynEnv v2.9 - 1. Main Mod DynEnv v2.9 - 3.b Enhanced Visibility (high) DynEnv v2.9 - 4.a Camera Filters - Realistic Colors DynEnv v2.9 - 5.b Ambient Settings - No Murky Waters DynEnv v2.9 - 6. Sleet for Winter Campaigns DynEnv v2.9 - 8.a Wave Mechanics - Breeze DynEnv v2.9 - 10.I Seafloor (high resolution) DynEnv v2.9 - 11.a.I Sea Plants - Atlantic Kelp Forests (high resolution) DynEnv v2.9 - 12. Sounds sobers smoke screen V1 SH5 (DynEnv compatible) sobers best ever fog V22 SH5 SH5_7A_Conning_Fix Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_byTheBeast Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1 #Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1_HotFix Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1 (available by date) V9 by sober EUF_UBoat_FX_v0_0_3_ byTheBeast SH5 Longer Repairs v.1 AI_sub_crew_1_0_2_TheDarkWraith FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Alt w beards MCCD_1.04_MFCM_1.2.1_compatible Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional louder engine sounds Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional scary creaks Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 additional crew sounds beta6 Stormys_DBSM_additional_creaks_and_noises_1.0 NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ByTheDarkWraith NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_New_radio_messages_German NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_jimimadrids_map_tools NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ERM_Reaper7_NightVision_Black_Ski n NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_WWIIInterface_by_naights Church's Compass Dials Mod v2.2 - Option Two Sjizzle's - Charts for NewUIs part1_27.05.2013 Manos Scopes-patch for 16x9 gap - HD 1 deg Scope Bearing v 1.0 IRAI_0_0_39_ByTheDarkWraith IRAI_0_0_39_ByTheDarkWraith_Patch_1 R.E.M_by_Xrundel_TheBeast_1.2 R.E.M. - hydrophone mute for player fix (TDW compatible) SubFlags_0_0_8_byTheDarkWraith DBSM_Music_1_0_4 OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2 Reworked Morale and Abilities v.1.1 Sub_Exhaust_1_0_5_byTheDarkWraith Shadow Improvement Mod TDW Round Fire Button v11 by Torpedo AST_SH5_v2 Alternate Sinking Mechanism (AST) (edited + modified for AI Damage Control Patch) SH5Lifeboats_by_Rongel_TDW_stoianm_v2.11 SH5Lifeboat_Wooden ver. 0.2 EQuaTool 01.01 by AvM - Kriegsmarine Regular Style stoianm pitch&roll for SH5 V1 (low) Grossdeutscher Rundfunk RPM Hydrophone merchants 2.1 -for OHII full v2.2- Change days in bunker MyKey Thanks guys as i said i just want to check i have enabled all the patches right? or if this is some sort of user error Edit or perhaps it's working as intended

06-05-13, 03:39 PM	#2
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,087 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Your patcher is ok Check if FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) isn't overwriten...if yes, put it last in you list. Maybe New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on is overwriting it? __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

06-05-13, 04:05 PM	#4
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,087 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	But keep in mind torpedoes at war start were very defective. Don't expect a 90% success each time you fire __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

06-05-13, 05:29 PM	#6
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,087 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Best is to install patcher as stand alone, not mod Very easy to do. Follow this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...34&postcount=4 Then install FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) at the end of your list and go! __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

06-05-13, 05:40 PM	#8
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,087 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Just gave you a link! It's all explained... __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

06-05-13, 04:32 PM	#5
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Ok so i don't think there is an overwrite issue, here is all the Torpedo file overwrites i get.... When i add.... FX Update torpedoes (modified for torpedoes failure patches) I get this message... "torpedoes_g7a-e.sim" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod. "Torpedos_AI.sim" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod. When i add.... New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on I get this message.... "TDW_FXU_Torp_Explosion_Materials.DAT" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod. "TDW_FXU_Torp_Explosion_Particles.DAT" has already been altered by the "FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith" mod. When i add.... Alternate Sinking Mechanism (AST) (edited + modified for AI Damage Control Patch) I get this message .... "torpedoes_g7a-e.zon" has already been altered by the "AST_SH5_v2" mod. That is using the list order above Could it be because i have enabled TDW's patcher as a mod???

06-05-13, 05:56 PM	#10
volodya61 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Rostov-on-Don, local time GMT+4 Posts: 3,300 Downloads: 374 Uploads: 0	Tiberius, see here - these are T1 torpedo failure settings (pistols 39 - 08/43, pistols 08/43 - 45, other issues 39 - 12/42 + 12/42 - 45) . . PS: magnetic detonators range 3m because I use 3m.. __________________ . Where does human stupidity end? . *El sueño de la razón produce monstruos © - and for some people awakening will be cruel*

06-06-13, 09:49 AM	#14
divingbluefrog Medic Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 164 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 1	The settings choose by TDW are even generous with us as historically the max angle for impact was 30° (i.e 90 to 120). What isn't indicated anywhere is that this value (min_angle) is true in both horizontal AND vertical plan. For example if you fired at a NKSCS_N3SA1 (refered as Small Merchant) with a 90° horizontal angle but a deepth > 2m, the torpedo will bounce over the hull due to the curve of itself. My guess is that the deepth at which you fire your torpedoes is too high. When using impact detonator, it always a compromise between a short depth, to avoid the above mentioned problem, and a deeper one to avoid the risk of premature detonation. Shooting a small merchant with wind >= 10 is nearly impossible, as I use a rule of thumb of a min deepth > windspeed/3 (with the same Env mod as yours).