Former Air Force One plane for sale.

[Feuer Frei!]

Show off to your friends!
Pretend to be the President whilst flying!

Anyhoo, here it is:

http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/a...1QSCI13056100#

[Platapus]

Air Force 2 and may have acted as Air Force 1

[Jimbuna]

It's the baby version...I was expecting to see a 747

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

It's the baby version...I was expecting to see a 747

The first Bush went from 707 to 747. Although he stayed with the 707 which he did not use much anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The first Bush went from 707 to 747. Although he stayed with the 707 which he did not use much anyway.

Ah, right...never been on a 747...777 is my biggest flying experience.

[Stealhead]

Interesting.My only problem is that no single aircraft is in fact "Air Force one" that term is the call sign given to the particular aircraft that the President of the United States is flying on. They actually have several VC-25s(special 747) that are capable of serving as "Air Force One".I find the claim that a DC-9 (C-9A to the USAF) "may have been Air Force 2" very doubtful to be honest.They where used as transports for generals and most served as medical transports.The other problem with the claim is that their is never an "Air Force Two" call sign and no "Air Force Two" to be a part of.The nearest thing to this would be the back aircraft that is available and the E-4B that typically flies into the same region that Air Force One is present in when ever it is overseas the E-4B you could say is a flying Pentagon.

George W. Bush actually was the last president to fly on a 707 though from Regan on down the VC-25 was the preferred air frame.According to Wikipedia anyway.

Some one has a scrap DC-9 and is trying their hardest to get as much cash out of it as possible.

Here is a photo of the DC-9 it carriers the markings of a VIP aircraft the DC-9s it has department of state markings basically a diplomat plane.who ever is selling is being very liberal and boosting its status.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisk48/7397741932/


Its real history

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N681AL.html

[Platapus]

Almost interesting trivia

Any aircraft (helos excluded) on which the President of the United States is aboard uses the call sign "Air Force One"

Every one knows that.

Except that that is not true.

Under what circumstance can the President of the United States fly on an US registered* aircraft (other than helo) and it does NOT use the call sign "Air Force One"?

And what call sign would it use?

*I wanted to add that because I am not sure the POTUS has ever flown on a Foreign Owned Aircraft. So for the purpose of this almost interesting trivia question, assume US registered Aircraft (Excluding Helos)

[AVGWarhawk]

The helicopter is named "Marine One."

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Almost interesting trivia

Any aircraft (helos excluded) on which the President of the United States is aboard uses the call sign "Air Force One"

Every one knows that.

Except that that is not true.

Under what circumstance can the President of the United States fly on an US registered* aircraft (other than helo) and it does NOT use the call sign "Air Force One"?

And what call sign would it use?

*I wanted to add that because I am not sure the POTUS has ever flown on a Foreign Owned Aircraft. So for the purpose of this almost interesting trivia question, assume US registered Aircraft (Excluding Helos)

I know a lady that served on "Air Force One" with the USAF back in the 1970's and 1980's she was what is called a flight attendant in the civilian world.

She has told me several good stories funny though I never thought to ask questions like the one that you asked.I am not sure if she would have known all of the intimate flight data like that though.She worked with Nixon,Ford,Carter and Regan.I often wonder if the true answer to your question is purposefully left ambiguous to all but those who need to know it would seem logical.

This show might answer that question I recall viewing bits of it before.They mentioned something about a flight to Iraq that they wanted to keep secret where they did not follow the usual protocol.




@AVG there used to be an "Army One" as well at some point in the 1970's the USMC took over all of the helio operations.There is another NatGeo show where they go inside the Marine One squadron.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Almost interesting trivia

Any aircraft (helos excluded) on which the President of the United States is aboard uses the call sign "Air Force One"

Every one knows that.

Except that that is not true.

Under what circumstance can the President of the United States fly on an US registered* aircraft (other than helo) and it does NOT use the call sign "Air Force One"?

And what call sign would it use?

*I wanted to add that because I am not sure the POTUS has ever flown on a Foreign Owned Aircraft. So for the purpose of this almost interesting trivia question, assume US registered Aircraft (Excluding Helos)

When it is secret. Bush flew to Iraq under secrecy. I would say call sign Venus 28 or 29. He had a flight plan booked for a 737 and different tail number. However, the aircraft was not a 737 and had yet a different tail number. It was never called Air Force One.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

When it is secret. Bush flew to Iraq under secrecy. I would say call sign Venus 28 or 29. He had a flight plan booked for a 737 and different tail number. However, the aircraft was not a 737 and had yet a different tail number. It was never called Air Force One.

I would say that in the interest of national security they can do what ever they want to with the aircraft/vehicles that transport the POUSA.If you know what anything about counter measures one look at any of the Marine One choppers you will notice that they have redundant counter measure systems even the AH-64 has less counter measures.

They openly use the "Air Force One" and "Marine One" names for symbolic reasons and to promote Esprit de corps.The true protocol in order to know that information You would need to be a part of the respective command and also need to know I am sure that the fuels guy and the jet engine mechanic have no idea what the protocol is.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

When it is secret. Bush flew to Iraq under secrecy. I would say call sign Venus 28 or 29. He had a flight plan booked for a 737 and different tail number. However, the aircraft was not a 737 and had yet a different tail number. It was never called Air Force One.

Good point and I will grant you that one mission where they deliberately used a phony call sign for OPSEC. Good catch.

There are, however, other instances that don't require phony call signs for the POTUS but also don't involve the call sign Air Force One.

[AVGWarhawk]

Other than Marine one, Army One(never used I believe) and Navy One(used by Bush once) I have no answer. The call signs follow the man and not the vehicle. Unless he is actually fly the aircraft.

[Platapus]

Air Force One only applies when the POTUS is flying on a Military Aircraft. When flying on a Civil/Commercial aircraft the call sign is "Executive One"

Told you it was almost interesting trivia.

But great catch on the OPSEC callsign.

[AVGWarhawk]

When Nixon was flying on Air Force One to his home(after resigning), just after Ford was sworn in, the aircraft lost it's call sign of Air Force One. Nixon was a civilian at that point.