one last time

edwardallen · 03-07-13, 04:08 PM

Here is my current file structure:

c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/mods /

what should come next for any mod .

Pisces · 03-07-13, 06:08 PM

I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you asking for suggestions on which mod to add to your game. Or do you want to know how mods should be added into the file/folder structure?

edwardallen · 03-07-13, 06:35 PM

how mod should be added to file structure

BigWalleye · 03-07-13, 07:43 PM

When you have unzipped the mod and moved it to your SH4 folder, your file structure should look like this:

c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/Mods /RFB_2.0/Data/....

Once you run JSGME for the first time, the /Mods folder will also contain two other files: /!BACKUP and /!INSTLOGS. There should be no other folders in /Mods except these two and the named mods you put there after unzipping.

Each named mod folder should contain ONLY a subfolder named /Data. If there is anything else (except maybe a readme.txt), the mod is not installed properly. Come back here, list what you found, and someone will help you.

If the file structure looks like I said, run JSGME, then launch SH4 and it should work fine. Some mods will give you a splash screen that lets you know the mod is working (RBF, TMO, and OTC do), but others do not. If they don't, you will have to get into the game and see if you can recognize their effect.

Godspeed!

Pisces · 03-08-13, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye

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Each named mod folder should contain ONLY a subfolder named /Data. If there is anything else (except maybe a readme.txt), the mod is not installed properly. Come back here, list what you found, and someone will help you.
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I disagree, some mods do install files into the documentation folder. So stating the presence of anything other than the "data"-folder in there is a sign of something being wrong, is in itself wrong. But if there ISN'T a "data"-folder in the folder named after the mod, then somehting IS wrong. As all important modded files are in there (somewhere, deep).

BigWalleye · 03-08-13, 12:48 PM

Yes, and JSGME will slavishly copy those documentation folders into the game directory and "uninstall" them when required. There is no reason to have those files cluttering up the game folder. And the easiest way for a noob to tell if he has the right contents in his /Mods folder is to see that there is only a /Data folder under the named mod folder. Any experienced gamer can tell the noob to take the extraneous folders out. And then the simple test I described will tell the noob he is good to go. But, if he sees a bunch of extraneous files, as when he unzips OTC directly to the /Mods folder, he knows there is something wrong and to come here and ask for help. So it is easier to simply say: "If you have anything but the /Data folder there, come back here for advise." Not literally accurate, but easy to follow. You know better, and I know better, but that doesn't help the noob.

How would you advise the noob, so that he knows when his mod is set up properly for installation?

Armistead · 03-08-13, 02:03 PM

Best way is to unzip into a seperate folder outside the game, then simply copy or drag the mod to the mods folder. Sometime a mod will contain several mods in one. I keep a seperate mod folders outside of the game for mods that work only for TMO, RFB, etc., that way I know which ones work for each other.

Pisces · 03-08-13, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Yes, and JSGME will slavishly copy those documentation folders into the game directory and "uninstall" them when required. There is no reason to have those files cluttering up the game folder.

And how are they supposed to learn how to use it when manuals and such is not in the most logical place?

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And the easiest way for a noob to tell if he has the right contents in his /Mods folder is to see that there is only a /Data folder under the named mod folder. Any experienced gamer can tell the noob to take the extraneous folders out. And then the simple test I described will tell the noob he is good to go. But, if he sees a bunch of extraneous files, as when he unzips OTC directly to the /Mods folder, he knows there is something wrong and to come here and ask for help. So it is easier to simply say: "If you have anything but the /Data folder there, come back here for advise." Not literally accurate, but easy to follow. You know better, and I know better, but that doesn't help the noob.

Well, some mods also change the .exe (maybe not SH4, but SH3 for sure) or .dll files. Only /Data is too narrow minded imho. Sure, it simplifies looking for stuff. But don't generalize too much. It might bite the noob in his face also.

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How would you advise the noob, so that he knows when his mod is set up properly for installation?

Depends on the mod. I'd try to download it and figure how it is supposed to be done if I am unfamiliar. And provide how the paths in the mods folder should look like.

Oh and above all, I'd show where exactly it was shown how to in the documentation/readme.

edwardallen · 03-08-13, 04:54 PM

ok,here is what i got from the mods folder on:

mods/ubm mission pack &jsgme config settings/data/single missions and single patrol/geo1 ocean danger etc.

ubm mission pack activated in mod enabler.

Am not getting any u-boat missions when i click on switch sides. Everything
else(us campainge and missiond) runs fine.

ps i am getting german campainge which i despise.

BigWalleye · 03-08-13, 05:36 PM

c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/

Is sh4.exe in this folder? And is jsgme.exe also in this folder?

edwardallen · 03-08-13, 07:37 PM

yes

BigWalleye · 03-09-13, 08:27 AM

Don't mean to belabor the point, but I'm stumped. Your game folder is named

c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/

and all of these objects are immediately within this folder:

sh4.exe
jsgme.exe
/Data
/Mods

Is this correct?

Does the game run with no problems except the missing missions? No other funnies?

You might try going here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1197

Download the mod, which contains simple missions for both the American and German sides. See if you can install and execute them successfully. If you can, then remove and reinstall the U-boat Missions. If you can't, then remove and reinstall SH4.

edwardallen · 03-09-13, 12:25 PM

all files listed above are in main folder. Tried missions listed above but
would not work. Where should the mission title folders be located?

ps: no other funnies

BigWalleye · 03-09-13, 01:04 PM

Once installed with JSGME, mission title folders should be in

c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/Data/SingleMissions

Are they there? If they're not, try completely removing and reinstalling JSGME first. If they are there, or if reinstalling JSGME doesn't fix the problem, I think you should completely remove and reinstall SH4. That's a pain, but it's the last bullet in my gun.

edwardallen · 03-09-13, 07:19 PM

really strange just installed magnum ops for sh5 and it runs fine.

03-07-13, 04:08 PM	#1
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	one last time Here is my current file structure: c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/mods / what should come next for any mod .

03-08-13, 12:48 PM	#6
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Yes, and JSGME will slavishly copy those documentation folders into the game directory and "uninstall" them when required. There is no reason to have those files cluttering up the game folder. And the easiest way for a noob to tell if he has the right contents in his /Mods folder is to see that there is only a /Data folder under the named mod folder. Any experienced gamer can tell the noob to take the extraneous folders out. And then the simple test I described will tell the noob he is good to go. But, if he sees a bunch of extraneous files, as when he unzips OTC directly to the /Mods folder, he knows there is something wrong and to come here and ask for help. So it is easier to simply say: "If you have anything but the /Data folder there, come back here for advise." Not literally accurate, but easy to follow. You know better, and I know better, but that doesn't help the noob. How would you advise the noob, so that he knows when his mod is set up properly for installation? Last edited by BigWalleye; 03-08-13 at 04:03 PM.

03-08-13, 02:03 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Best way is to unzip into a seperate folder outside the game, then simply copy or drag the mod to the mods folder. Sometime a mod will contain several mods in one. I keep a seperate mod folders outside of the game for mods that work only for TMO, RFB, etc., that way I know which ones work for each other. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

03-08-13, 04:54 PM	#9
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	one more time ok,here is what i got from the mods folder on: mods/ubm mission pack &jsgme config settings/data/single missions and single patrol/geo1 ocean danger etc. ubm mission pack activated in mod enabler. Am not getting any u-boat missions when i click on switch sides. Everything else(us campainge and missiond) runs fine. ps i am getting german campainge which i despise.

03-07-13, 06:08 PM	#2
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you asking for suggestions on which mod to add to your game. Or do you want to know how mods should be added into the file/folder structure?

03-07-13, 06:35 PM	#3
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	how mod should be added to file structure

03-07-13, 07:43 PM	#4
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	When you have unzipped the mod and moved it to your SH4 folder, your file structure should look like this: c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/Mods /RFB_2.0/Data/.... Once you run JSGME for the first time, the /Mods folder will also contain two other files: /!BACKUP and /!INSTLOGS. There should be no other folders in /Mods except these two and the named mods you put there after unzipping. Each named mod folder should contain ONLY a subfolder named /Data. If there is anything else (except maybe a readme.txt), the mod is not installed properly. Come back here, list what you found, and someone will help you. If the file structure looks like I said, run JSGME, then launch SH4 and it should work fine. Some mods will give you a splash screen that lets you know the mod is working (RBF, TMO, and OTC do), but others do not. If they don't, you will have to get into the game and see if you can recognize their effect. Godspeed!

03-08-13, 05:36 PM	#10
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/ Is sh4.exe in this folder? And is jsgme.exe also in this folder?

03-08-13, 07:37 PM	#11
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	yes

03-09-13, 08:27 AM	#12
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Don't mean to belabor the point, but I'm stumped. Your game folder is named c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/ and all of these objects are immediately within this folder: sh4.exe jsgme.exe /Data /Mods Is this correct? Does the game run with no problems except the missing missions? No other funnies? You might try going here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1197 Download the mod, which contains simple missions for both the American and German sides. See if you can install and execute them successfully. If you can, then remove and reinstall the U-boat Missions. If you can't, then remove and reinstall SH4.

03-09-13, 12:25 PM	#13
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	all files listed above are in main folder. Tried missions listed above but would not work. Where should the mission title folders be located? ps: no other funnies

03-09-13, 01:04 PM	#14
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Once installed with JSGME, mission title folders should be in c/users/allen/desktop/silent hunter 4 wolves of the pacific-u-boat addon/Data/SingleMissions Are they there? If they're not, try completely removing and reinstalling JSGME first. If they are there, or if reinstalling JSGME doesn't fix the problem, I think you should completely remove and reinstall SH4. That's a pain, but it's the last bullet in my gun.

03-09-13, 07:19 PM	#15
edwardallen Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 107 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	really strange just installed magnum ops for sh5 and it runs fine.