Mod related inappropriate aircraft A.I. behavior

Yukicore · 01-05-13, 04:43 AM

Sooo, hoplefully nobody minds that I post this thread here, but I did not post this as a response to the mod thread, because it's not entirely related to the mod...? If I need to move this mod elsewhere, please do tell me, before deleting/moving, or at least after...

I installed Silent Hunter 5 mod for A.I. enhancement by The Dark Wraith. Ever since, aircraft is randomly attacking my submarine in the very beginning of the game (Randomly as of some patrolling units attack me, some not). And far as I know, the war has not been yet started, although declared, with England that is. I had played the game before without mods, didn't get any further than mission 3, but now I started a new Campaign with mods installed.

England's aircrafts, when playing without the mods, were just flying past me, didn't attack or anything, usually after me taking down a ship, to investigate. And if they'd saw me, they would send more aircrafts just to take watch at what I'm doing. But after installing the mod they have been randomly attacking me.

The issue is not that they are attacking me when war hasn't ''started'' yet, but that I can't figure out what determines their behavior. Also they are doing quite the damage, not sure if they did before, but a single aircraft damaged the submarines hulls by 55% on a single fly-by by mounted machine guns, perhaps, I don't know much about all the war stuff.

Although realistic, that they randomly attack, since frequently submarine attack radio messages get reported, it feels weird that some are attacking and some are not, since they shouldn't act on their own and have either permission to attack or attack order. Does anybody know about what makes them attack? Because the crew automatically spots them only when it's almost too late and sitting out the entire journey would be just too long and stupid.

Thanks.

gap · 01-05-13, 12:23 PM

3 thoughts:

- TDW's IRAI fixes partly the dumb aircraft AI. If you are using this mod, planes won't dive on you if they are out of ammo/bombs.

- IIRC, there's an unfixed bug in SH5, relative to the planes not attacking enemy contacts when following waypoints in campaign, even if they could. I may be wrong on this point, but I am sure Trevally will be able to provide some further detail on the subject.

- Machine guns (both aircraft and ship mounted) are overpowered in SH5. I will deal with this problem in the next future (I hope). I could release a quick fix right now, but I want to make sure that my changes are well balanced and free from whatsoever side effects.

Trevally. · 01-05-13, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

- IIRC, there's an unfixed bug in SH5, relative to the planes not attacking enemy contacts when following waypoints in campaign, even if they could. I may be wrong on this point, but I am sure Trevally will be able to provide some further detail on the subject.

Aeroplanes following waypoints in the campaign are only in the English channel - they are there for effect. They will fire at you if in range (cannons only) but will not leave their route. When these planes spot you, airbases (where free roaming planes are produced) will send extra out to attack you.

From 1943 forward - OHII added planes by waypoints in the Bay of Biscay.
These aeroplane are all fitted with radar. Planes following waypoints with radar will leave their route and attack

gap · 01-05-13, 01:23 PM

Thank you for your quick replies, Trevally!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Aeroplanes following waypoints in the campaign are only in the English channel - they are there for effect. They will fire at you if in range (cannons only) but will not leave their route. When these planes spot you, airbases (where free roaming planes are produced) will send extra out to attack you.

Well, since they are calling in for reinforcements they are not there merely for eye candy. They are just taking literally their patrol duties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

From 1943 forward - OHII added planes by waypoints in the Bay of Biscay.
These aeroplane are all fitted with radar. Planes following waypoints with radar will leave their route and attack

Wonderful... ops, nevermind, I wanted to say horrible

(I think it's about time to recruit a German modder for him take over your work on OHII and dumb down a bit your terrific British defences

)

Yukicore · 01-05-13, 03:13 PM

I'm using IRAI mod, so you guys mean that the planes, that aren't attacking me, have used all of their ammunition on other vessels/submarines? Why don't they go stock up and smoke a couple of cigarettes instead, that's pretty ridiculous, I have to dive so much because of the aircrafts. If only their guns wouldn't be so powerful and accurate, any mods relating to this?

Also, is there a way to take down their range of sight, because I highly doubt that everyone who flies the planes actually would look down all the time for something and spot submarines. There should be a randomizer that determines whether the plane will spot you or not. This would take down their chances of spotting me.

Trevally. · 01-05-13, 03:22 PM

TDW has always said that the AI script for the planes was limiting.
He has done about as much as he can with it.
IRAI mod is the best mod for any AI scripting

Have you been attacked by a torp plane yet http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=188286

01-05-13, 04:43 AM	#1
Yukicore Seaman Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 36 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Mod related inappropriate aircraft A.I. behavior Sooo, hoplefully nobody minds that I post this thread here, but I did not post this as a response to the mod thread, because it's not entirely related to the mod...? If I need to move this mod elsewhere, please do tell me, before deleting/moving, or at least after... I installed Silent Hunter 5 mod for A.I. enhancement by The Dark Wraith. Ever since, aircraft is randomly attacking my submarine in the very beginning of the game (Randomly as of some patrolling units attack me, some not). And far as I know, the war has not been yet started, although declared, with England that is. I had played the game before without mods, didn't get any further than mission 3, but now I started a new Campaign with mods installed. England's aircrafts, when playing without the mods, were just flying past me, didn't attack or anything, usually after me taking down a ship, to investigate. And if they'd saw me, they would send more aircrafts just to take watch at what I'm doing. But after installing the mod they have been randomly attacking me. The issue is not that they are attacking me when war hasn't ''started'' yet, but that I can't figure out what determines their behavior. Also they are doing quite the damage, not sure if they did before, but a single aircraft damaged the submarines hulls by 55% on a single fly-by by mounted machine guns, perhaps, I don't know much about all the war stuff. Although realistic, that they randomly attack, since frequently submarine attack radio messages get reported, it feels weird that some are attacking and some are not, since they shouldn't act on their own and have either permission to attack or attack order. Does anybody know about what makes them attack? Because the crew automatically spots them only when it's almost too late and sitting out the entire journey would be just too long and stupid. Thanks. Last edited by Yukicore; 01-05-13 at 08:58 AM.

01-05-13, 03:22 PM	#6
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	TDW has always said that the AI script for the planes was limiting. He has done about as much as he can with it. IRAI mod is the best mod for any AI scripting Have you been attacked by a torp plane yet http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=188286 __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

01-05-13, 12:23 PM	#2
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	3 thoughts: - TDW's IRAI fixes partly the dumb aircraft AI. If you are using this mod, planes won't dive on you if they are out of ammo/bombs. - IIRC, there's an unfixed bug in SH5, relative to the planes not attacking enemy contacts when following waypoints in campaign, even if they could. I may be wrong on this point, but I am sure Trevally will be able to provide some further detail on the subject. - Machine guns (both aircraft and ship mounted) are overpowered in SH5. I will deal with this problem in the next future (I hope). I could release a quick fix right now, but I want to make sure that my changes are well balanced and free from whatsoever side effects.

01-05-13, 03:13 PM	#5
Yukicore Seaman Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 36 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I'm using IRAI mod, so you guys mean that the planes, that aren't attacking me, have used all of their ammunition on other vessels/submarines? Why don't they go stock up and smoke a couple of cigarettes instead, that's pretty ridiculous, I have to dive so much because of the aircrafts. If only their guns wouldn't be so powerful and accurate, any mods relating to this? Also, is there a way to take down their range of sight, because I highly doubt that everyone who flies the planes actually would look down all the time for something and spot submarines. There should be a randomizer that determines whether the plane will spot you or not. This would take down their chances of spotting me.