Assange needs to go to the hospital

eddie · 10-26-12, 04:24 PM

And the Embassy is asking safe passage for him too! Wonder if the UK will allow it?

http://t.news.msn.com/world/ecuador-...k-safe-passage

Takeda Shingen · 10-26-12, 04:27 PM

In before conspiracy.

Oberon · 10-26-12, 04:30 PM

In before smert' shpionam.

In all seriousness though, yes, I imagine they'll let him through, otherwise the EU Board of Human rights will get pretty annoyed.

Skybird · 10-26-12, 04:30 PM

If humanitarian reasons were quoted on behalf of the Lockerbie bomber, and other illustrious VIPs of this callibre in the past, it should be allowed and guaranteed for this comparably harmless man, too. He is no mass murder, no war criminal, and no arms smuggler or drug baron or pedophile.

eddie · 10-26-12, 04:44 PM

Maybe they'll grant him safe passage to the hospital, but not from the hospital. Wouldn't that be funny,lol

Oberon · 10-26-12, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Maybe they'll grant him safe passage to the hospital, but not from the hospital. Wouldn't that be funny,lol

The hospital will love them for it, like they can afford a bed being taken up indefinitely.

Gargamel · 10-26-12, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

If humanitarian reasons were quoted on behalf of the Lockerbie bomber, and other illustrious VIPs of this callibre in the past, it should be allowed and guaranteed for this comparably harmless man, too. He is no mass murder, no war criminal, and no arms smuggler or drug baron or pedophile.

But an accused rapist is ok?

Platapus · 10-26-12, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

But an accused rapist is ok?

As long as he is only an accused rapist, yes.

Now, once he is convicted of rape, that's a different story

You want to know another name for an "accused rapist"?

An "innocent man" (until proven guilty in a court of law)

Gerald · 10-27-12, 04:28 AM

Assange,need more than just a hospital in the situation he is in.

Gargamel · 10-27-12, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

As long as he is only an accused rapist, yes.

Now, once he is convicted of rape, that's a different story

You want to know another name for an "accused rapist"?

An "innocent man" (until proven guilty in a court of law)

So a fugitive on the run from international extradition laws is Ok? Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you are innocent if you can flee from the court.

soopaman2 · 10-27-12, 01:56 PM

I ask for justice with Swedish laws applying.

no special crap because he is "ace buku" anti American, who deserves a pass because he is so daring and full of courage to take on the eternal evil beast known as America, who never did nothing right, but is to blame for all world ills.

Screw us, yeah please ban me, I am sick of explaining myself and my country to heathens of European, and Muslim descent who wish to trash us.

Picture your world without America you scum.!

I am so sick of being the universal bad guy.

This subject makes me angry, I hate how many people see Assange as a hero, I see him and his supporters as traitors who need a noose and a priest reading last rites.

Fuff (pronounced foof) the world, ban me. Now

If America became isolationist during the '40s,, alot of the world would be in trouble.

Unless you liked Hitler.

Platapus · 10-28-12, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

So a fugitive on the run from international extradition laws is Ok? Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you are innocent if you can flee from the court.

But was not your original argument. Your argument was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gargamel

But an accused rapist is ok?

There is a difference between someone accused of a crime and someone violating extradition.

I was responding to your original post. In refuting my response you can't just change the premise of your argument.

Tchocky · 10-27-12, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

If humanitarian reasons were quoted on behalf of the Lockerbie bomber, and other illustrious VIPs of this callibre in the past, it should be allowed and guaranteed for this comparably harmless man, too. He is no mass murder, no war criminal, and no arms smuggler or drug baron or pedophile.

Nobody is denying him medical treatment or access to aid. He's doing that to himself by remaining in the embassy. The UK has a legal obligation to arrest him, but the UK is hardly a country where the imprisoned go without medical treatment. Neither is Sweden.

Jimbuna · 10-27-12, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Nobody is denying him medical treatment or access to aid. He's doing that to himself by remaining in the embassy. The UK has a legal obligation to arrest him, but the UK is hardly a country where the imprisoned go without medical treatment. Neither is Sweden.

Agreed....the Ecuadoreans will probably want something in writing before he will leave the embassy. I hope they send medical people into the embassy as an alternative because there is no claims of there being a life threatening illness, just wight loss as far as I can ascertain and that could well be down to the trauma of being holed up in a small room for so long or dietary intake even.

Skybird · 10-27-12, 07:06 AM

Then the Lockerbie bomber should not have been released. Same standards for all, please, no opportunistic cherry-picking. Assange is very likely subject of an intrigue, and if that is true, has all reason to worry about being arrested, because he most likely will never leave arrest again. Not necessarily because he raped someone. But because it is an intrigue.

In intrigues, laws can get abused and hijacked. If laws get abused and hijacked to push an intrigue, I see no reason why to play by their rule any longer. They then have lost their legality to me.

The Swedes already could have had their questioning of him that they wanted, and since long time. And very easily. According arrangements have been made so often before. But in Assange'S case, for some reason just questioning him obviously is not what they are satisfied with. Considering that the whole case stinks to heaven and the Swedes have a very strange law regarding "rape" (which makes them the ideal strawman to push this intrigue on behalf probably of somebody else), this all is highly suspicious. Not certain, but highly suspicious. I refuse to just ignore these suspicions, but I take their high probability into account. Even more so when there are strong, overwhelming motives for certain states and actors to get Assange into their fangs - no matter how.

10-26-12, 04:24 PM	#1
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Assange needs to go to the hospital And the Embassy is asking safe passage for him too! Wonder if the UK will allow it? http://t.news.msn.com/world/ecuador-...k-safe-passage __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If humanitarian reasons were quoted on behalf of the Lockerbie bomber, and other illustrious VIPs of this callibre in the past, it should be allowed and guaranteed for this comparably harmless man, too. He is no mass murder, no war criminal, and no arms smuggler or drug baron or pedophile. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Maybe they'll grant him safe passage to the hospital, but not from the hospital. Wouldn't that be funny,lol __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Assange,need more than just a hospital in the situation he is in. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I ask for justice with Swedish laws applying. no special crap because he is "ace buku" anti American, who deserves a pass because he is so daring and full of courage to take on the eternal evil beast known as America, who never did nothing right, but is to blame for all world ills. Screw us, yeah please ban me, I am sick of explaining myself and my country to heathens of European, and Muslim descent who wish to trash us. Picture your world without America you scum.! I am so sick of being the universal bad guy. This subject makes me angry, I hate how many people see Assange as a hero, I see him and his supporters as traitors who need a noose and a priest reading last rites. Fuff (pronounced foof) the world, ban me. Now If America became isolationist during the '40s,, alot of the world would be in trouble. Unless you liked Hitler. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world. Last edited by soopaman2; 10-27-12 at 02:14 PM.

10-26-12, 04:27 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	In before conspiracy.

10-26-12, 04:30 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	In before smert' shpionam. In all seriousness though, yes, I imagine they'll let him through, otherwise the EU Board of Human rights will get pretty annoyed.

10-27-12, 07:06 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Then the Lockerbie bomber should not have been released. Same standards for all, please, no opportunistic cherry-picking. Assange is very likely subject of an intrigue, and if that is true, has all reason to worry about being arrested, because he most likely will never leave arrest again. Not necessarily because he raped someone. But because it is an intrigue. In intrigues, laws can get abused and hijacked. If laws get abused and hijacked to push an intrigue, I see no reason why to play by their rule any longer. They then have lost their legality to me. The Swedes already could have had their questioning of him that they wanted, and since long time. And very easily. According arrangements have been made so often before. But in Assange'S case, for some reason just questioning him obviously is not what they are satisfied with. Considering that the whole case stinks to heaven and the Swedes have a very strange law regarding "rape" (which makes them the ideal strawman to push this intrigue on behalf probably of somebody else), this all is highly suspicious. Not certain, but highly suspicious. I refuse to just ignore these suspicions, but I take their high probability into account. Even more so when there are strong, overwhelming motives for certain states and actors to get Assange into their fangs - no matter how. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.