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Skybird · 09-04-12, 09:39 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19474829

For right this reason I have always totally avoided any filesharing service and torrents. To me they are a digital version of honeypot traps.

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"You don't have to be a mass downloader. Someone who downloads a single movie will be logged as well," said Dr Tom Chothia, who led the research.
"If the content was in the top 100 it was monitored within hours," he said. "Someone will notice and it will be recorded."

I am certain that you are also logged when downloading legal files, let's say a big mod, via a torrent. Just going there have you holding up a sign saying "Here I am, craving for your attention, please log me."

Alles Toifelszoich!

I welcome that they catch pirates that way. But this comes at a big price for the legally acting users.

Herr-Berbunch · 09-04-12, 10:23 AM

The only thing that worries me is the legal sharing is still, if popular enough, monitored, with no discrimination between the two.

That must mean I'm guilty.

Ducimus · 09-04-12, 10:29 AM

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

Jimbuna · 09-04-12, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

Precisely

Skybird · 09-04-12, 12:48 PM

The point of thje story is they found that torrent sites not only get monitored, but the data on people IS being reviewed and assessed by somebody. It is no automatic storage of undiscriminatory raw data like for example ISP traffic logs being saved and that's to that.

Itz is oftenj said that the US since many years is capable to overhear practically all communication done anywhere by electronic means. I am certain that this is true - just that it is highly advanced filter mechnaism automatically processing all the data being caught instead of human operators sitting there with headphones on their ears. Those days are over for the most. The alarms of today get called out by filtering software. Not only is computer processing the only way to analyse and to deal with the ammount of global data traffic - it is also the one way which for sure does not leave it to the fields of science fiction that all global traffic indeed is beign tracked. That is no paranoia or conspiration theory at all. It simply is reality.

Wolfgang Schäuble some weeks ago said he wants to ban the use opf coins and banknotes and wants to do like thew Swedes: all payment traffic is done electronically. That way, says Schäuble, the state'S monitoring of all and every financial transaction of all the state'S citizens would be complete. The illegal ones - and the legal ones as well. But who on itors the monitors?

The BBC recently has refused to participate in the remembering or honouring of George Orwell, I read a couple of days ago. Sign of the times.

CCIP · 09-04-12, 01:32 PM

I'm not saying that this is not an issue, but what is the point you're trying to make, besides what is already self-evident? As the Russian saying goes, "Afraid of wolves - don't go in the forest".

Stealhead · 09-04-12, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

Very true and this fact means that law enforcement can request in one form on another that logged information from your ISP.

This really should not be of very much concern unless you committed a crime.Of course it does open up a can of worms as to what they should be able to look at and when.It would take a huge amount of resources to sit down and look at every ones logs though.Still for the foreseeable future unless you are doing something that you really should not be like illegal porn or planning a murder over facebook you are pretty safe I think and of course one would have to commit the illegal act before their ISP information is ever viewed.

Now certain employers might be much more likely to observe you like the military for example I had a friend that did this in the Air Force he could actually see what you where doing on a AF owned PC in real time they bust people for viewing pron all the time that way that or by looking into the logs.They do the same thing on land lines.My step dad used to catch B-52 SAC crews saying way too much over the phone in the 60s he'd report them and they'd be standing tall before the man but that is more about security and it was just practice for snooping in on Soviet radio networks which was much more challenging.I do not see the average person having to worry about being observed closely like that.

The guys that I get a kick out of are the ones that use the so called "spoofing" ISPs which I imagine fools no one.

The idea that the NSA can listen in on the worlds or even the just the US electronic conversations is just pure fantasy they would need millions of employees just to correlate the gathered data.What they can do is focus on the serious threats.

I do not trust any government do not get me wrong on that but to truly have control in a George Orwell style you need lots of human eyes and ears working for you even in societies like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union that had a lot of this they did not know everything.

Afraid of Wolves don't do anything do anything.

Ducimus · 09-04-12, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

.It would take a huge amount of resources to sit down and look at every ones logs though.

Not really. Company I work for makes a product for that.

Stealhead · 09-04-12, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Not really. Company I work for makes a product for that.

I am thinking in terms of manpower even if you have a program that does some things for you would still need someone to go in and verify the hits and such.You still need someone to do something about what the program finds.

I think it would not be so simple to monitor all phone and internet based conversations in the US that is a lot of information coming and actually use that information in real time not weeks or months later.We are talking about millions of conversations a day.If they really can do that then I have a bullet for anyone who wants to listen to me no joking come and get it.

If they can really do that then organized crime would be history and there is plenty of that going on in the US of A.

09-04-12, 10:23 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	The only thing that worries me is the legal sharing is still, if popular enough, monitored, with no discrimination between the two. That must mean I'm guilty. __________________

09-04-12, 12:48 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The point of thje story is they found that torrent sites not only get monitored, but the data on people IS being reviewed and assessed by somebody. It is no automatic storage of undiscriminatory raw data like for example ISP traffic logs being saved and that's to that. Itz is oftenj said that the US since many years is capable to overhear practically all communication done anywhere by electronic means. I am certain that this is true - just that it is highly advanced filter mechnaism automatically processing all the data being caught instead of human operators sitting there with headphones on their ears. Those days are over for the most. The alarms of today get called out by filtering software. Not only is computer processing the only way to analyse and to deal with the ammount of global data traffic - it is also the one way which for sure does not leave it to the fields of science fiction that all global traffic indeed is beign tracked. That is no paranoia or conspiration theory at all. It simply is reality. Wolfgang Schäuble some weeks ago said he wants to ban the use opf coins and banknotes and wants to do like thew Swedes: all payment traffic is done electronically. That way, says Schäuble, the state'S monitoring of all and every financial transaction of all the state'S citizens would be complete. The illegal ones - and the legal ones as well. But who on itors the monitors? The BBC recently has refused to participate in the remembering or honouring of George Orwell, I read a couple of days ago. Sign of the times. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-04-12, 01:32 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm not saying that this is not an issue, but what is the point you're trying to make, besides what is already self-evident? As the Russian saying goes, "Afraid of wolves - don't go in the forest". __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

09-04-12, 10:29 AM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP. Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.