The Satanic quality of the Internet

[Skybird]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/how-the-web-is-killing-faith/2012/05/24/gJQAMHgLnU_blog.html

This is why the freedom of the internet must be defended at all cost against attempts to gag it, to censor it, to control it, to ban it. When in the 60s the anti-Vietnam and the Hippy-movement in America and the reform-pedagogues and the so-called 68ers in Germany/Europe started to revolt not only against petrified and indeed misled moral crusts and value-monuments, they not only started to breath fresh air into the space occupied by these, but they started to deconstruct constructive things and what in principle is good quality in our societies as well. The aftermath of this in Europe and especially in Germany maybe are more alive still than in America, I do not know for sure about the US. But a result of this deconstruction of the moral fundament was that the counter-revolution by the religious establishements also started going, having come greater power again since let'S say the past 20 years while they claim that secularism is a great threat to the world and needs to be replaced with obedience to the church's dogma (that is what the pope also told America when he visited the US, wasn't it: that the primary duty of the believers shall be obedience to the church).

This counter-revolution of the parasite clergy has led to some remarkable successes in its attempt to revive some of the claims it has lost since the church lost in influence since the rennaissance and enlightenment.

But the plan does not go as smooth as planned anymore. Churches are emptying in Europe, which is good in principle. Unfortunately, mosques multiply, which is not good at all. And the church helps the Islamisation becausue it hopes to benefit from Islam'S success, and a society it needs to share with Islam'S dogma still is better to the church than a society that is truly secular and independent from the church, and does not want and does not need it. The power and control, the influence and the wealth of clergy needs the weakness and lacking education of the sheep it tries to convince that they must accept being herded by the clergy, else....

That it doe snot go that smooth anymore is due to the slow spread of scientific information, general education, contact to other, less sadistic religions that before existed in global isolation somewehre else - and since one decade also due to the internet.

And neither churches nor offended Muslims, not polticians and parties nor governments and secret services shall be allowed without bitterly resisting to them to gag and censor and limit freedom of speech on the web. So watch out especially against the cowardish dhimmies of the EU and the Christian fundamentalists in American politics. They will - and already do - push hard for bringing the web under control of their dogmas, and they will have no scruples to deceive and to lie over the intention, if that helps their cause. The best weapon against fanatic religious ideology is education, and the spreading of counter-evidence to dogmatic claims, and raising challenges to claims that in past centuries just passed by unchallenged, with all the intimidation and submission that followed in their wake.

We shall not give up this freedom, never.

[Dowly]

Indeed

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We shall not give up this freedom, never.

Amen, brother!

[the_tyrant]

In my opinion, on the internet you get the exact same amount of rights and freedoms as in real life, no more, and no less.

There will be regulations and everything just like in real life.

I think of the internet like the wild west. sure, it starts lawless. But someday the sheriff would come and clean the place up.

[MH]

Its not all that simple...

Internet threat unites divergent Orthodox streams

Haredi Jews seek way of positively channeling the Internet, as they use it to conduct business, communicate with each other and even promote Jewish observance.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/...reams-1.432083

(not sure you will be able to see that due to new haaretz policy.)

[Sailor Steve]

Please post no more than one paragraph of an article, and use a link for the rest. Subsim.com risks charges of plagiarism otherwise.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Please post no more than one paragraph of an article, and use a link for the rest. Subsim.com risks charges of plagiarism otherwise.

Fixed

[Sailor Steve]

Danke.

[kiwi_2005]

The internet is not killing religious faith its killing the cowboy preachers. The internet has help spread the faith of all religions including that rogue religion - Satanism. The best part of it is anyone can now question and look it up to see if that self proclaim preacher online is the real thing or just another cowboy preacher. IMO the internet is like an open book when it comes to religious faith. You don't even need to own the bible or Koran whatever your faith may be its all there on the internet. The internet is the new cross or fork...

Mark 13:10
But first, the Good News must be spread to all nations

Anyway im off to search online for more updates on Diablo 3 and his demon buddies

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

But the plan does not go as smooth as planned anymore. Churches are emptying in Europe, which is good in principle. Unfortunately, mosques multiply, which is not good at all.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? Is this a case of 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'? Or , 'be careful what you wish for'.

I agree with Kiwi_2005. The internet will not put an end to religious faith. If anything it will make it more accessible. Of course this applies to any sort of dogma, including Atheism and yes Satanism. Although there are truth seekers out there, I would wager that most people who visit websites such as these are doing so to confirm beliefs they all ready hold. It is easy to check facts and statements but this cuts both ways. To believe that any one person or organization has a lock on truth is dangerous to be sure , but surfing the internet believing what you find is unbiased opinion is foolhardy.

I find it hard to believe that in a world where big money and government control almost everything else, the internet won't fall under their influence. Speaking only for my self of course , I would have to be naive to think other wise. I hope it doesn't happen, but I've been around long enough to know better. It has little to do with "fanatical religious ideology" Skybird. "Money doesn't talk, it swears". I believe a Jewish entertainer said that.

As to "We shall not give up this freedom, never." , I'm right there with you buddy. Without freedom of thought and expression what is there?

[Skybird]

I love it when a quote of mine gets put into a different context and thus the content is given a completely different twist.

No, this is not a case of 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'.

And I think that is clear by what I originally said. And what I originally said is not that I do favour the one over the other, but that I despise both. If chruches, mosques and synagogues would get burnt dopwn and Bible Quran and Thora gets destroyed for once and forever, the world woul become a much better, less hateful place.

I recommend to read chapter 7, sub-section 3 (chapter headlines in the German edition would be "Das 'gute' Buch und der wandelbare ethische Zeitgeist - Liebe Deinen Nächsten") of Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" where he summarises the experimental results from psychological research done by Israeli psychologist George Tamarin. The way that religious indoctrination already present in the heads of small kids decides on whether genocide is recognised by over a thousand school kids he questioned in his experiment as a moral abjection or a cause that can be morally justified, is a revelation.

The whole book is.

[Skybird]

P.S.

On the story about George Tamarin. His university sacked him over the project.

[u crank]

It was not my intention to misquote you but to point out an ironic situation. Although the larger and more 'secular' forms of Christianity may concede ground to Islam, fundamental Christianity is directly opposed to it. It was supposed to be funny unlike this:

Originally Posted by Skybird

And I think that is clear by what I originally said. And what I originally said is not that I do favour the one over the other, but that I despise both. If chruches, mosques and synagogues would get burnt dopwn and Bible Quran and Thora gets destroyed for once and forever, the world woul become a much better, less hateful place.

Or your version of a less hateful place.

If this is your vision of a better tomorrow, to hope for the eradication of thousands of years of history, literature and architecture, count me out. I miss judged you. If these people insist on their belief even after their books and buildings are destroyed what's next? Break a little glass. Perhaps a camp here and there.

Your view of unlimited internet freedom is somewhat tainted by this desire to suppress other peoples thoughts and beliefs.

I'm disappointed. And I take it back. If this is your version of freedom of speech, it's somewhat corrupt and I won't stand with you.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by u crank

It was not my intention to misquote you but to point out an ironic situation. Although the larger and more 'secular' forms of Christianity may concede ground to Islam, fundamental Christianity is directly opposed to it. It was supposed to be funny unlike this:



Or your version of a less hateful place.

If this is your vision of a better tomorrow, to hope for the eradication of thousands of years of history, literature and architecture, count me out. I miss judged you. If these people insist on their belief even after their books and buildings are destroyed what's next? Break a little glass. Perhaps a camp here and there.

Your view of unlimited internet freedom is somewhat tainted by this desire to suppress other peoples thoughts and beliefs.

The church financed some arts, yes, but that does not make it the author or originator of it. Many arttists needed to make some living, and thuds had to accept to do ordered arts as well. And who else should have payed for them, if not the church? For centuries, the church was, beside the corrupt aristocracy, the only possible maecenas, since frarmer and odinary people were pressed out quite hefty by clergy and kings and lords as well.

Most of the cultural developement and arts last but not least comes from sources that were not patronised by the ch8urch,k but that the church bitterly fought against. Also, all our current freedoms and ideas about justice, humanism, sceluarism, did not appear because the church helped in them, but they appeared after centuries of bitter fight against the church that wanted to supress them, and did so mit unimaginably cruel means for long time. Our modern liberties have been wrested from the church against it bitter resistence. Heck, it is not even 20 years ago that the church, still growling, rehabilitated Gallileo Gallilei, and it has been only a few years that, as I already quoted, the pope told the American public that the Chriostian believers first and most impoortant duty is that he owes obedience - not to the teahcing of Jesus, not to thre semron of the mount, not to God no matter how you nimagine, no - your first and most imporetant duty is that you owe obedience to the church.

What part exactly is it that makes you wonder why I have a problem with this church...???

I stand by it, without these evil sadistic three desert dogmas Judaism, Christinaity, and Muhameddanism, the world would be a better world, with less hate, less ointolerance, less violence. There would be less evil caused by relgious beliefs, legitmised by relgious beliefs, and carried out int her name of relgious beliefs. Beliefs that until today stand completely untested, always demand, want respect where there is nothing they would deserve it for, and carry out a lot of censorship and repression against those not agreeing with them.

Not depending on these, makes oyu a more moral being. Not depending on these, makes you a more reasonable being. Not depending on these makes you a more tolerant and kind being. Not depending on these makes oyu a person able to use its mind, while relgion wants to prohibit you to do just that.

So yes, let all churches, mosques and synagogues burn, burn Jerusalem and Bethlehem, Mekka and Medina and Vatican city. Consider it to be liberation day after 2000 years and more of bitter, inhumane tyranny. Consider it to be leaving intellectual slavery and abuse behind. A world not ruled by religious dogmas and theistic psychopaths in the sky that have made sadism there most favourite hobby, is a sane world, and a sane world is a better world, and it is a world that is more free, with better chances for the young who no longer get infested with the brain poison of guilt, submission, hate and fear.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=194878

I'm disappointed. And I take it back. If this is your version of freedom of speech, it's somewhat corrupt and I won't stand with you.

Don't be mistaken, if the talking about freedom of speech for you means to exclude religion from it since it deserve this precious "respect" that even free speech has to bow to, than you never have stood on my side at all. Understand this: my freedom and the freedom of anybody who can appreciate the value of freedom is a thousand times more precious and important than the claim of any religion to be excluded from criticism or claims for respect that eligion wants, but does not deserve. The history of christian relgion, Judaism and Islam is a history of war after war, killing, murder, genocide, more war, torture, persectuion, supression, again some wars inbetween, discrimination, hate preachings, intimidation, some more wars to make it a round package, and above all the floating entity of the big eye in the sky that thratens even more of all this in case his excentric orders and commands for all this are not followed to the point. Speaking of being screwed no matter what you do!

[u crank]

Okay, now I understand, maybe. I should have caught on sooner. This church that you speak of is the one with the funny hats. There is a difference. This church in no way represents millions of Christian believers and it does not represent me. They don't speak for me nor I for them. I know this church as I was born into it but have been a 'protester' for many years. Surely you understand the difference. Some of your criticisms of it I might even agree with.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Not depending on these, makes oyu a more moral being. Not depending on these, makes you a more reasonable being. Not depending on these makes you a more tolerant and kind being. Not depending on these makes oyu a person able to use its mind, while relgion wants to prohibit you to do just that.

Really, Skybird. You believe this? This reasoning, taken to it's logical conclusion can only mean that a person of faith cannot be a moral, reasonable, tolerant and kind being. This is nonsense my friend. Pure atheist dogma. This can be so easily disputed it's not worth talking about.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Don't be mistaken, if the talking about freedom of speech for you means to exclude religion from it since it deserve this precious "respect" that even free speech has to bow to, than you never have stood on my side at all.

I think it is you who may be mistaken. If you can in any way infer from my posts the idea that religion or for that matter anyone or anything is above criticism please quote me on it. Far from it I believe that when it comes to free speech everything is on the table. Your version seems to include the destruction of other people's thoughts and ideas that you don't like. I guess you are right. I was never on your side.