VampireNightVision Bugfix

[h.sie]

Rubini, Makman94 and me fixed a problem that bothered us for years: The VampireNightVision-Bug: In a clear but dark night, your Uboat watchcrew can see a ship in 15km distance, while an enemy warship watchcrew cannot see your Uboat in 300m distance (at least in GWX).

This hardcode fix eliminates this problem. Not only the watchcrew has lowered visible range, also the player on his monitor, since the mod changes the rendering of the objects at night. So the balance between the players eyes and the watchcrews eyes is widely kept.

The following Crew Sensor Settings in data/cfg/Sensors.cfg could be used as start values for further optimization:

Visual range factor=0.5
Visual fog factor=1.00
Visual light factor=0.5

The Visual fog factor can be fine-adjusted between 1.00 and 1.05, if your crew detects ships before you can see them on your monitor. This balance depends on the environment and monitor settings.

Edit: After finishing the Beta-Test period, this fix is no more available as stand-alone. It's now integrated into and part of the:

Realism- and Gameplay- related hardcode fixes: See here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174225

[Rubini]

Ahoy h.sie!


Some more info for kaleuns:

- All stock visual settings (on stock sensors.cfg) are good ones to go with any mod or super mod now. Just be sure to use the three settings that h.sie posted above.

- The fix is just simply in concept and works flawless (at least on our tests): it moves the fog wall at night from factor 1 (the one that your unfixed environment uses...lets´say 17km or 8.5km) to factor 0.4 or 0.25 at deep night, obviously correctly for each fog state. And the most important: it makes a very well implemented transition between evening/deep night/dawn/morning using the sun position! Impossible to be better!

Kudos to h.sie!

[Hitman]

INCREDIBLE

You never cease to amaze me H.Sie, great job again

[Myxale]

You guys finally killed the Bug that plagued us since SH3 went gold!

Wow, talk about an epic feat!

[rik007]

I'm amazed!

[rik007]

One question: is this also improving nightly surface attacks? Ie we can better sneak into convoys?

[Kaleun Cook]

Great news!

But I just saw that my sensor settings are completely different:

;Visual.
Visual range factor=1.4
Visual fog factor=0.9
Visual light factor=1.6

Is that normal and you suggest changing to the settings you recommended or do you mean that the settings should have been like those you recommend from the beginning? I'm just wondering if one of my mods messed with the sensors too much.

Maybe t becomes more clear if I ask in German:

h.sie, meinst Du, dass die Sensoren normalerweise so eingestellt sein sollten, wie du im ersten Post schreibst? Oder sollte man nur die Sensoren so einstellen, um mit dem Fix die besten Ergebnisse zu haben? Nicht, dass irgendeiner meiner Mods die Sensoren zu sehr verstellt hat.

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by Kaleun Cook

Great news!

But I just saw that my sensor settings are completely different:

;Visual.
Visual range factor=1.4
Visual fog factor=0.9
Visual light factor=1.6

Is that normal and you suggest changing to the settings you recommended or do you mean that the settings should have been like those you recommend from the beginning? I'm just wondering if one of my mods messed with the sensors too much.

Maybe t becomes more clear if I ask in German:

h.sie, meinst Du, dass die Sensoren normalerweise so eingestellt sein sollten, wie du im ersten Post schreibst? Oder sollte man nur die Sensoren so einstellen, um mit dem Fix die besten Ergebnisse zu haben? Nicht, dass irgendeiner meiner Mods die Sensoren zu sehr verstellt hat.

Hi kaleun cook,

These crazy settings on sensors.cfg that some mods or super mods have was exactly a try to "fix"the vampire night vision bug at the past. But obviously none of then fixed it.

The h.sie's fix moves the fog wall itself accordingly the sun position, so we suggest that now you stick with the stock settings plus the ones that h.sie wrote on the first post. Obviously some fine tunning could be needed for each combination on yours mods/monitor settings. I use for example fogfactor=1.05 and lightfactor=0.05, because these settings behave better for me (with the fix). Try it a bit to see what is better for you.

Also the Ai behaviour (I mean: if Ai ships will attack you first or not) is adjusted on sim.cfg; some will need adjust, others not. Anyway this fix don't changes the Ai behaviour or Ai visual detection, only the player/crew ones.

[h.sie]

Contact persons / responsibilities:

Problems, incompatibilities, questions: Makman94, Rubini.

Commendation, praise: h.sie

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by h.sie

Contact persons / responsibilities:

Problems, incompatibilities, questions: Makman94, Rubini.
Commendation, praise: h.sie

You are the boss, so the above is good!

[Kaleun Cook]

Thanks for the advice, Rubini! And sorry for the wrong addressee in my initial post.

I'll just use the recommended settings then on my next game and see how that works. The only problem that could come up would be to figure out whether I need to adjust the AI-behaviour or not - and if so then which settings to pick. But I should probably worry about that if I stumble into any weird AI-behaviour at all.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by rik007

One question: is this also improving nightly surface attacks? Ie we can better sneak into convoys?

it depends how you mean this '' ...improving nightly surface attacks..'' .
now ,your crew 'sees' much more shorter so i am guessing that thing is getting harder now (as it should)

the AI on the other side are not altered by this mod . AI continues to 'see' at the ranges that you allready know so if it was easy for you (depending on which supermod you use) will continue to be that way too

Originally Posted by Rubini

Hi kaleun cook,

These crazy settings on sensors.cfg that some mods or super mods have was exactly a try to "fix"the vampire night vision bug at the past. But obviously none of then fixed it.

The h.sie's fix moves the fog wall itself accordingly the sun position, so we suggest that now you stick with the stock settings plus the ones that h.sie wrote on the first post. Obviously some fine tunning could be needed for each combination on yours mods/monitor settings. I use for example fogfactor=1.05 and lightfactor=0.05, because these settings behave better for me (with the fix). Try it a bit to see what is better for you.

Also the Ai behaviour (I mean: if Ai ships will attack you first or not) is adjusted on sim.cfg; some will need adjust, others not. Anyway this fix don't changes the Ai behaviour or Ai visual detection, only the player/crew ones.

it is important to understand that we didn't give specific sensors settings exactly becuase the mod is universal for all enviros .
each one of you has to adjust his visual settings at his own sensors.cfg
forget and delete everything you read there at the visauls factors in sensors.cfg
as Rubini says there are some tiny adjustments that must be taken care (especially at FogFactor value and at LightFactor).this is necessery exactly becuase of different monitor settings-enviros. ALL other values must be setted back at STOCK VALUES
these are the settings i am using on GWX-16km enviro as my monitor is setted up and have the best results:

;Visual.
Visual range factor=0.5
Visual fog factor=1.03
Visual light factor=0.05
Visual waves factor=0.8
Visual speed factor=0
Visual aspect=0.9
Visual enemy speed=0.2
Visual noise factor=0
Visual sensor height factor=0.5

as Rubini allready told you ,something else that is really important is that AI visuals are not altered at all by this mod . in most of the supermods AI visuals needs corrections too (especially at the situations of extreme fog weather) so if you find situations that enemy is spotting you before you do ...you have to edit the sim.cfg

[makman94]

Originally Posted by h.sie

Contact persons / responsibilities:

Problems, incompatibilities, questions: Makman94, Rubini.

Commendation, praise: h.sie

yes sir !

[LemonA]

Originally Posted by h.sie

2 different versions:

1) STANDARD: Reduction of visible range at night to 40%.
2) HARD: Reduction of visible range at night to 25%.

What version is the most realistic one?

Originally Posted by h.sie

2) This Alpha is currently not compatible to Stieblers and/or h.sie's BadWeatherFix, but the final version will be made compatible of course.

Good. Looking forward to version which is compatible with BadWeatherFix.

[h.sie]

@reaper: Thank you for your detailed test results. IMHO you do not have to change MEPv3. If you use the 25%-version, you'll see the ships later, because the fog-wall is automatically closer to you, compared to the 40% version.

@LemonA: I don't know which one is more realistic. This could be discussed (hopefully with facts) here in the thread. I'm only sure that a visible range of 15km at dark night isn't realistic.