Titanic auction in New York on April 11

TarJak · 01-06-12, 11:57 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sale-of-...106-1pof5.html

Items recovered from RMS Titanic's resting place on the bottom of the Atlantic will be auctioned as a single lot in April this year.

Oberon · 01-07-12, 12:22 AM

Almost a hundred years to the day too...

Schroeder · 01-07-12, 06:07 AM

A lot of that stuff were personal belongings of the passengers/crew. Can that actually be auctioned? Isn't that the same as opening graves and loot the stuff in there?

BossMark · 01-07-12, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

A lot of that stuff were personal belongings of the passengers/crew. Can that actually be auctioned? Isn't that the same as opening graves and loot the stuff in there?

Burke and Hare?
But I agree all personal belongings should have been left at the wreck

HunterICX · 01-07-12, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

A lot of that stuff were personal belongings of the passengers/crew. Can that actually be auctioned? Isn't that the same as opening graves and loot the stuff in there?

Pretty much...

But any moral can be thrown aside when there's money involved.

HunterICX

Jimbuna · 01-07-12, 11:43 AM

I stopped reading after I got to the part that stated some of the items were childrens toys

mookiemookie · 01-07-12, 02:09 PM

I never could understand the obsession over the Titanic. People have destroyed and dishonored that gravesite all so some yahoos could have a bauble or two. I remember seeing a picture once of the wreck, littered with plaques and junk left by all of the excursions to the site. Completely tasteless.

Platapus · 01-07-12, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

A lot of that stuff were personal belongings of the passengers/crew. Can that actually be auctioned? Isn't that the same as opening graves and loot the stuff in there?

A very good question and the answer depends on whether two decisions were previously made.

1. If the passenger/crew's estates were settled by insurance, then any belongings would then be "owned" the insuring body.

2. If the insuring body had declared that these items were derelict, which is a legal state, then anything recovered is legally the property of the recovering body. If so, they can be sold.

This is from a legal viewpoint. The question whether it is morally right to sell this stuff is a completely different issue.

In answer to your question is this the same as opening a grave and looting? No. Items in a grave are not declared derelict (or whatever the land legal term is) and therefore would not be the property of who ever loots them. This is one of the differences between recovery and looting.

TarJak · 01-08-12, 03:44 AM

It is a little tasteless though.

Catfish · 01-08-12, 07:06 AM

How can someone claim this stuff to belong to him ? To whom belongs the stuff ? How can it be sold ??
If there is something hauled up at all, this stuff belongs into a museum with indication of exact point found, and where it belonged on the ship.
Reminds me of troops in Iraq plundering museums.

If private people (no others but millionaires) buy the stuff to found a museum that is one thing.
If they want it in their Frank Loyd Wright villas or some russian Datscha to show off, bomb them

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TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Titanic auction in New York on April 11 http://www.smh.com.au/world/sale-of-...106-1pof5.html Items recovered from RMS Titanic's resting place on the bottom of the Atlantic will be auctioned as a single lot in April this year.

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	A lot of that stuff were personal belongings of the passengers/crew. Can that actually be auctioned? Isn't that the same as opening graves and loot the stuff in there? __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I stopped reading after I got to the part that stated some of the items were childrens toys __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I never could understand the obsession over the Titanic. People have destroyed and dishonored that gravesite all so some yahoos could have a bauble or two. I remember seeing a picture once of the wreck, littered with plaques and junk left by all of the excursions to the site. Completely tasteless. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Almost a hundred years to the day too...

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TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	It is a little tasteless though.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	How can someone claim this stuff to belong to him ? To whom belongs the stuff ? How can it be sold ?? If there is something hauled up at all, this stuff belongs into a museum with indication of exact point found, and where it belonged on the ship. Reminds me of troops in Iraq plundering museums. If private people (no others but millionaires) buy the stuff to found a museum that is one thing. If they want it in their Frank Loyd Wright villas or some russian Datscha to show off, bomb them