Alaska class Large cruiser or Battlecruiser

USS Drum · 12-30-11, 03:41 PM

I was just wondering what people thought about the Alaska class I essentially think that it is just a Heavy Cruiser on steroids.

CCIP · 12-30-11, 03:51 PM

Well, it is. All you really need there is to look at the hull form for comparison - the superstructure is deceptively battleship-like, especially when you look at it from the side, but if you look at it from above or front, it's kind of obvious where its roots are.

It is an odd little design of course, but it's more a case of convergent evolution than lineage. Alaska was basically the answer to the big Japanese CAs.

USS Drum · 12-30-11, 04:00 PM

A response to Japanese CAs you should look at the caliber of it's guns there over the size of the Pocket BB:
9 x 12"/50 caliber Mark 8 guns [4] (3×3)
twelve 5-inch (127 mm)/38 caliber dual-purpose [5] guns[4] (6×2)[5]
56 ×40 mm (1.57 in)[4] Bofors (14x4)[5]

34 × 20mm Oerlikon (34×1)[4][5]

CCIP · 12-30-11, 04:20 PM

Response in the sense that it was built to decisively kill them

Sailor Steve · 12-30-11, 04:23 PM

Yep. The Alaskas were created for the same reason as Fisher's original First Class Armoured Cruisers two generations earlier, to deal with the best heavy cruisers of their day. The US didn't make the same mistake as the RN did back then, trying to use them as something they were never meant to be.

12-30-11, 05:50 PM

Never should have been built.

Total waste of money, effort and manpower. Built against a non-existent threat based on a ineffective strategy they represented the USN's "Gun Club's" last orgasmic effort at relevance.

Awesome looking warships though.

Torplexed · 12-31-11, 12:13 PM

Both Alaska and Guam were decommissioned in in February 1947 after a mere three years of service. Both were broken up for scrap in the 1960s. Pretty ships but a waste of resources as they were never used as much more than an anti-aircraft gun platforms.

USS Drum · 12-31-11, 01:23 PM

They where used to bombard islands.

12-31-11, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by USS Drum

They where used to bombard islands.

They were good looking gash boats. A half-dozen LCI(Rocket) could have better filled that role at a fraction of the cost in manpower and treasure. Useless warships shoehorned into a task that they were ill suited for in a vain attempt to get some utility out of them.

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by USS Drum

They where used to bombard islands.

So were the Iowas.

12-31-11, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So were the Iowas.

One could legitimately argue that the Iowa's were also a waste of money, manpower and resources but at least they were authorized before the war as part of the comprehensive Two-Ocean Navy program. By comparison, the Alaska's were just freaks, tacked onto the wartime acquisition process as afterthoughts without a realistic tactical purpose.

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 06:41 PM

I agree. I'm pretty sure the Iowas were authorized to counter the Yamatos, as at the time no one imagined that they might all be prey for aircraft.

TBear · 02-07-12, 06:37 AM

This picture realy show how "oversized" it was for its class

USS Missouri (BB-63) and USS Alaska (CB-1) at Norfolk, Virginia, 1944

Actualy it was originaly the Brooklyn light cruiser that was intended to counter enemy ships of its own class. (it is basicly the foundation of the later US Cruiser designs)

Note.
The last ship of the Brooklyn class was also that last cruiser to be sunk by a submarine. (dont want to heat current political debates about some Islands, but google it and you can find out)

The Alaska class was a direct attempt to counter "pocket battleships" like the Deutschland class. Against them its deffently an asset, but the later German Admiral Hipper class would deffently have been able to put up a fight. Some would mention Scharnhorst class, realy not sure how i would chatogorise them. That is in essence a Battleship class...but will that is my opinion

The closest the Japanese had was the Mogami class, but even as a IJN surface buff i have to admit it would have been a "walk in the park" for the Alaska.

If you look for a ship that could be called mini battleship you have to think of the Alaska class.

The Dark Wolf · 10-06-12, 09:47 AM

Great ships, wrong time. Like the XB-70 Valkyrie project.
Naval design is often too early or too late.

12-30-11, 03:41 PM	#1
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Alaska class Large cruiser or Battlecruiser I was just wondering what people thought about the Alaska class I essentially think that it is just a Heavy Cruiser on steroids.

12-30-11, 03:51 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well, it is. All you really need there is to look at the hull form for comparison - the superstructure is deceptively battleship-like, especially when you look at it from the side, but if you look at it from above or front, it's kind of obvious where its roots are. It is an odd little design of course, but it's more a case of convergent evolution than lineage. Alaska was basically the answer to the big Japanese CAs. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-30-11, 04:20 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Response in the sense that it was built to decisively kill them __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-30-11, 04:23 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yep. The Alaskas were created for the same reason as Fisher's original First Class Armoured Cruisers two generations earlier, to deal with the best heavy cruisers of their day. The US didn't make the same mistake as the RN did back then, trying to use them as something they were never meant to be. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-31-11, 12:13 PM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Both Alaska and Guam were decommissioned in in February 1947 after a mere three years of service. Both were broken up for scrap in the 1960s. Pretty ships but a waste of resources as they were never used as much more than an anti-aircraft gun platforms. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

12-30-11, 04:00 PM	#3
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	A response to Japanese CAs you should look at the caliber of it's guns there over the size of the Pocket BB: 9 x 12"/50 caliber Mark 8 guns [4] (3×3) twelve 5-inch (127 mm)/38 caliber dual-purpose [5] guns[4] (6×2)[5] 56 ×40 mm (1.57 in)[4] Bofors (14x4)[5] 34 × 20mm Oerlikon (34×1)[4][5]

12-30-11, 05:50 PM	#6
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Never should have been built. Total waste of money, effort and manpower. Built against a non-existent threat based on a ineffective strategy they represented the USN's "Gun Club's" last orgasmic effort at relevance. Awesome looking warships though.

12-31-11, 01:23 PM	#8
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	They where used to bombard islands.

12-31-11, 06:41 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I agree. I'm pretty sure the Iowas were authorized to counter the Yamatos, as at the time no one imagined that they might all be prey for aircraft. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-07-12, 06:37 AM	#13
TBear Medic Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 160 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	This picture realy show how "oversized" it was for its class USS Missouri (BB-63) and USS Alaska (CB-1) at Norfolk, Virginia, 1944 Actualy it was originaly the Brooklyn light cruiser that was intended to counter enemy ships of its own class. (it is basicly the foundation of the later US Cruiser designs) Note. The last ship of the Brooklyn class was also that last cruiser to be sunk by a submarine. (dont want to heat current political debates about some Islands, but google it and you can find out) The Alaska class was a direct attempt to counter "pocket battleships" like the Deutschland class. Against them its deffently an asset, but the later German Admiral Hipper class would deffently have been able to put up a fight. Some would mention Scharnhorst class, realy not sure how i would chatogorise them. That is in essence a Battleship class...but will that is my opinion The closest the Japanese had was the Mogami class, but even as a IJN surface buff i have to admit it would have been a "walk in the park" for the Alaska. If you look for a ship that could be called mini battleship you have to think of the Alaska class. __________________ *IJN rules, but peabody makes it float!* *"TAKAO" Status: work in progress* Last edited by TBear; 02-07-12 at 06:48 AM.

10-06-12, 09:47 AM	#14
The Dark Wolf Watch Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA-27 Posts: 28 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 13	Alaska Class Great ships, wrong time. Like the XB-70 Valkyrie project. Naval design is often too early or too late.