Canada considers canning diesels, buying nukes

CCIP · 10-28-11, 06:05 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...h-nuclear.html

So Canada is now considering canning its problem-plagued Victoria (ex-Upholder) class diesels which have seen practically no service since they were purchased from Britain. While no definite budget exists for a replacement and the focus at the moment seems to be on the surface fleet, there is word in both the government and the navy that they would like to have nukes (particularly due to Canada's obvious interest in Arctic operations, where diesels aren't so hot).

Thoughts? Will this ever happen? Would used British nukes be a good idea for Canada?

Jimbuna · 10-28-11, 06:24 AM

The nuclear boat is without doubt the best option for Arctic operations but I'm wondering if they'd turn to the UK a second time after their experience with the diesel boats.

We currently have seven fleet boats in operation comprising six T class and one Astute.

There are seven Astute class planned and the second of the class HMS Ambush is due in 2012 replacing HMS Turbulent, so I think it is possible Canada could acquire T class boats if they wanted them phasing in over a period of time.

Krauter · 10-28-11, 10:05 AM

Sweet! 'Bout time Canada's Maritime Force updated its subsurface fleet.

What do you think the chances are of us acquiring any LA class boats from the states? How close are they to phasing out those boats in favour of the Virginias?

AVGWarhawk · 10-28-11, 10:17 AM

Time to start shopping. Kicking tires and test drives!

Sailor Steve · 10-28-11, 11:02 AM

OH! This was about submarines. When I read the title I was thinking "Nuclear trucks? How does that work? Tractor-trailers only, or pickups as well? Maybe a Volkswagen?"

TLAM Strike · 10-28-11, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

...so I think it is possible Canada could acquire T class boats if they wanted them phasing in over a period of time.

soopaman2 · 10-28-11, 12:24 PM

I am sure the USA would sell you a few.

One question...Why British nukes?
What you can take our free defense but you can't buy our subs? (via our majority stake in the UN, financially and militarily)

We got plenty, the only thing we export is military goods anymore, buy it darnit! Otherwise we will have to work for 7$ an hour and be happy we are getting that much.

Makes me want to defund the UN and see how the world truly fares then.

JSLTIGER · 10-28-11, 12:41 PM

Depends how many they want. I'm sure that there are plenty of Los Angeles class submarines that are about to be or have been decommissioned that Canada could purchase from us if they can't get a hold of the T class boats.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 10-28-11, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

There are seven Astute class planned and the second of the class HMS Ambush is due in 2012 replacing HMS Turbulent, so I think it is possible Canada could acquire T class boats if they wanted them phasing in over a period of time.

After the sorry tale of those Upholders, I don't think the Canadians will be buying anything Brit for a long time...

Jimbuna · 10-28-11, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

After the sorry tale of those Upholders, I don't think the Canadians will be buying anything Brit for a long time...

I suspect you may be right but Canada has maintained that 'special' relationship for a long time.

Time for a bidding war with the US......(Canada) "How much are each of you prepared to pay us for each boat we take"?

CaptainMattJ. · 10-28-11, 06:18 PM

you could but Dr Evil's Secret submarine lair. im sure the sharks with laser beams would come in handy

Krauter · 10-28-11, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I am sure the USA would sell you a few.

One question...Why British nukes?
What you can take our free defense but you can't buy our subs? (via our majority stake in the UN, financially and militarily)

We got plenty, the only thing we export is military goods anymore, buy it darnit! Otherwise we will have to work for 7$ an hour and be happy we are getting that much.

Makes me want to defund the UN and see how the world truly fares then.

Hmm well a few things spring to mind

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-1. Canada is still a Commonwealth nation that shares close ties with the UK.
-2. Our CinC is still technically the Queen..

Also, what "free defence"? Last I saw the UK, France, Russia and China both hold similar powers as the US in the UN (veto power....)

soopaman2 · 10-28-11, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Hmm well a few things spring to mind

..

-1. Canada is still a Commonwealth nation that shares close ties with the UK.
-2. Our CinC is still technically the Queen..

Also, what "free defence"? Last I saw the UK, France, Russia and China both hold similar powers as the US in the UN (veto power....)

Yes sir, veto power.

What about manpower, materiels and money? You know the US got 700 plus military bases worldwide? With the worst healthcare system in the world.

Funny really. We care more for Iraquis, and Libyans than our own people. Millions a day into a litter box while our own starves. Can save alot of money on the 700 billion military budget if we cut the UN off. Less manpower needed, less tanks. Close all our bases in Europe and Asia, turn a few aircraft carriers into reefs...It's someone elses turn now..

I want to emulate Woodrow Wilson pre WW1 and be pure isolationist.

Besides,I thought you guys liked us. Homer Simpson said it best when he told us that Canada was Americas hat.

I'm so cold without you guys!

Krauter · 10-28-11, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

Yes sir, veto power.

What about manpower, materiels and money? You know the US got 700 plus military bases worldwide? With the worst healthcare system in the world.

Funny really. We care more for Iraquis, and Libyans than our own people. Millions a day into a litter box while our own starves. Can save alot of money on the 700 billion military budget if we cut the UN off. Less manpower needed, less tanks. Close all our bases in Europe and Asia, turn a few aircraft carriers into reefs...It's someone elses turn now..

I want to emulate Woodrow Wilson pre WW1 and be pure isolationist.

Besides,I thought you guys liked us. Homer Simpson said it best when he told us that Canada was Americas hat.

I'm so cold without you guys!

magicstix · 10-28-11, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Sweet! 'Bout time Canada's Maritime Force updated its subsurface fleet.

What do you think the chances are of us acquiring any LA class boats from the states? How close are they to phasing out those boats in favour of the Virginias?

Highly unlikely. Even today the US keeps the signatures of LA class boats away from the Canadians during joint ops whenever possible. LAs are also very difficult to refuel since they weren't really designed for it.

Nukes in general though are usually very closely guarded national secrets (Akula sales to India not withstanding). If Canada wants a nuke, she'll probably have to design her own. It'll be a long time until the last LA class gets phased out, and it's almost certain we wouldn't give one to Canada before the last one was out of our fleet.

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soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I am sure the USA would sell you a few. One question...Why British nukes? What you can take our free defense but you can't buy our subs? (via our majority stake in the UN, financially and militarily) We got plenty, the only thing we export is military goods anymore, buy it darnit! Otherwise we will have to work for 7$ an hour and be happy we are getting that much. Makes me want to defund the UN and see how the world truly fares then. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

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