Is that a stinger in your pocket ????????

[yubba]

Or are you happy too see me ????? It seems that 20,000 shoulder surface to air missles are missing or unaccountalbe from the Lybian arsenal, seen being loaded on rebel trucks and headed out into the desert just in time for the holidays guess I'm takeing the bus, reported by ABC's Good morning America. also had a AVG alert while typing this on this site this page . Virus filename, Exploit Blackhole Exploit Kit type 1889, so beware

[TLAM Strike]

No worries they were just stolen by Iran...

[yubba]

Still taken the bus, so the driver can fall asleep and drive across the line and take a petrol truck head on, I have such crappy luck. I guess standing in line waiting to get groped by the TSA, is kinda mute now, what would they be looking for now, parachutes ?????

[Stealhead]

First off I see no way that Libya would have been able to acquire Stinger (FIM-92) MANPADS they have not been on the Wests "friends" list for some years and the available stingers out there will have long since expired they only have a 5 or 6 year storage life span before the batteries are no good. Now terror groups could get hands on SA-7 and SA-14 or SA-18s 24s which are the Soviet/Russian block MANPADS.

Actually several airlines Australia's Quantas being one of them has been very strongly considering placing SAM counter measure systems on their planes.Perhaps they have even already started mounting them and have keep it hush hush I mean you do not really want to add in your flight safety flyer.I would imagine that most US airlines considered the counter measure systems considered the cost of them considered the cost of a plane getting shot down by a MANPAD and the "likely hood" and determined that it was cheaper to pay for deaths than to add the counter measures.

Also the press greatly over rates the value of MANPADS being used by a lay person a military man will receive 6 months training on there operation most of the terror groups just hand them out without providing any training and they likely lack the ability to even actually train on the things.So far they have been able to hit one plane a DHL aircraft in Iraq and that was 50% success they fired two SA-14s and only one hit the other missed if effective counter measures where in place on planes and around aerodromes the failure rate of a MANPAD could easily be 99%.

Honestly taking a bus is your least safe option you are now riding on the softest target possible if you look up how many terror attacks have been committed on buses well lets just say you would much rather fly.

Also the AVG alert could have been a false alarm although you may want to read this link about it: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/48...1889-a-990592/

[CCIP]

As far as I know, El-Al have some sort of counter-SAM system installed on their airplanes. Otherwise, planes are symbolic targets - even if buses are more likely to actually be blown up, the in the public eye an attack on a plane, even partially successful, will always be rated as more outrageous. I think when people like the Iranian Republican Guard and organized terror groups are involved, there is pretty good chance they'll be properly trained in using these things. Don't underestimate these guys - they are often more professional than the average soldier.

Granted, I think the chances of a MANPADS attack on anything flying within the US are extremely remote at best. They'd be higher in Europe, but I would still be surprised seeing one of those pulled off. It's the other places, particularly Africa, where you're still the most likely to see these missiles actually used. But if you're not flying to one of those places, you don't have that much to worry about.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Granted, I think the chances of a MANPADS attack on anything flying within the US are extremely remote at best.

I wonder how hard it would be to build a MANPADS with civilian parts.

All it really has to be is a pipe bomb on a rocket with some kind of guidance system.