Stationary ships are not so stationary...

Luno · 09-22-11, 03:09 AM

Hi guys, I've got a funny problem.

I started playing the Scapa Flow single mission from the stock game (I'm sparing my old computer from the weight of GWX). I slipped into the harbor in a type IX, undetected by at least 8 destroyers actively patrolling the area.

Under the cover of night, I lined up on a Battleship that was totally stationary, and fired off a 4-shot spread. I assumed it to be anchored, but suddenly I see smoke pouring out of the top funnel. It accelerates so quickly that only one of my torpedoes managed to hit her stern! Then of course, every DD and Cruiser that was "anchored" is now pinging, and calling in backup from every destroyer in the harbor.

I literally had at least ten warships all over me. After a couple hours, the mission ended, I presume because of depleted hull integrity (I wasn't flooded whatsoever).

What gives? At night the sea is pitch-black like the sky. I don't think any sailor would have spotted a wake, started up those big engines on the BB and sped off at top speed in under a ship-length. This mission is impossible to complete.

So, is there anything that addresses this issue? I'm aware of GWX, and I enjoy it, but my current machine doesn't run it well. I'd be interested in any small-ish mod that addresses some AI behavior. I'd also like to know if it's possible to at least alter the mission files to equip my sub with some wake-less electric torpedoes.

I really like this game, but some of the issues are borderline ridiculous

papa_smurf · 09-22-11, 05:16 AM

Its been an issue since release, the merchant fleet mod reduces this some way but not completely.

Jimbuna · 09-22-11, 06:17 AM

@Luno

Hi matey...GWX was designed to run on the same system specs required to run stock.

09-22-11, 06:32 AM

Or open Campaign_SCR via SH3 mission editor and stick that BB to the bottom with anchor

It will never escape your torps again

desirableroasted · 09-22-11, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Luno

I assumed it to be anchored, but suddenly I see smoke pouring out of the top funnel. It accelerates so quickly that only one of my torpedoes managed to hit her stern!

They do that in stock.

Luno · 09-22-11, 11:23 AM

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Hi matey...GWX was designed to run on the same system specs required to run stock.

Hi,

The game runs, but not particularly well. My computer has a hard time dealing with the graphical updates. Stock SH3 runs marginally well.

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Or open Campaign_SCR via SH3 mission editor

Ok, I'll take a look at that, thanks!

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the merchant fleet mod reduces this some way but not completely

Thanks, I'll try to find it. It's just too bad the core game can't be reworked.

Jimbuna · 09-22-11, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Luno

Hi,

The game runs, but not particularly well. My computer has a hard time dealing with the graphical updates. Stock SH3 runs marginally well.

Ah, right....pretty low specs then, that's a pity.

Fish In The Water · 09-22-11, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PapaKilo

Or open Campaign_SCR via SH3 mission editor and stick that BB to the bottom with anchor

It will never escape your torps again

I've been tempted to do this many times, but have so far resisted the urge. Things change mind you, so no promises for the future...

BigRich · 09-22-11, 05:47 PM

Ah yes. I once hit a westbound small merchant ship with my last torpedo somewhere north of Ireland. This hit brought her speed down to zero with a heavy portside list. I waited and circled, hoping this (stationary) ship would sink. Alas, the higher the time compression I used, the more she speeds up. I lost her somewhere in a storm, southwest of the Rockall Banks...

Hinrich Schwab · 09-22-11, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Luno

Hi guys, I've got a funny problem.

I started playing the Scapa Flow single mission from the stock game (I'm sparing my old computer from the weight of GWX). I slipped into the harbor in a type IX, undetected by at least 8 destroyers actively patrolling the area.

Under the cover of night, I lined up on a Battleship that was totally stationary, and fired off a 4-shot spread. I assumed it to be anchored, but suddenly I see smoke pouring out of the top funnel. It accelerates so quickly that only one of my torpedoes managed to hit her stern! Then of course, every DD and Cruiser that was "anchored" is now pinging, and calling in backup from every destroyer in the harbor.

I literally had at least ten warships all over me. After a couple hours, the mission ended, I presume because of depleted hull integrity (I wasn't flooded whatsoever).

What gives? At night the sea is pitch-black like the sky. I don't think any sailor would have spotted a wake, started up those big engines on the BB and sped off at top speed in under a ship-length. This mission is impossible to complete.

So, is there anything that addresses this issue? I'm aware of GWX, and I enjoy it, but my current machine doesn't run it well. I'd be interested in any small-ish mod that addresses some AI behavior. I'd also like to know if it's possible to at least alter the mission files to equip my sub with some wake-less electric torpedoes.

I really like this game, but some of the issues are borderline ridiculous

Like everyone has already said, it is the "magic" full steam ahead bug. My observations are that this trips when a steam propelled torpedo is running fast and close to the surface. If you want to see a really nasty example of this bug, attack the stationary ship in the Torpedo Tutorial first.

Back to your dilemma, Do you remember your depth settings when you attacked the ship?

Luno · 09-22-11, 08:32 PM

The torpedoes were fairly close to the surface because I wanted to use the impact pistol. The waters were shallow and I didn't want the torpedoes to hit a sand bar or net. I think the torp depth was only 2 meters. The game renders the wake regardless. In another case I fired off one torpedo at 10-11 meters depth, and the tanker sped off right as the fish was about to hit.

I know what you mean about that training mission. I was able to get that ship after the umpteenth time by programming just a little bit of forward speed into the Torpedo Kommandogerat. That mission is annoyingly difficult because the ships are scattered to the four winds and zig zag as soon as one goes down. I was only able to sink all the ships by going full speed on the surface and using the UZO to aim and fire fast torpedoes from 500 meters.

I didn't imagine that the bug would affect everything in the single missions and campaigns too, and that's a shame.

09-22-11, 03:09 AM	#1
Luno Ensign Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 234 Downloads: 123 Uploads: 0	Stationary ships are not so stationary... Hi guys, I've got a funny problem. I started playing the Scapa Flow single mission from the stock game (I'm sparing my old computer from the weight of GWX). I slipped into the harbor in a type IX, undetected by at least 8 destroyers actively patrolling the area. Under the cover of night, I lined up on a Battleship that was totally stationary, and fired off a 4-shot spread. I assumed it to be anchored, but suddenly I see smoke pouring out of the top funnel. It accelerates so quickly that only one of my torpedoes managed to hit her stern! Then of course, every DD and Cruiser that was "anchored" is now pinging, and calling in backup from every destroyer in the harbor. I literally had at least ten warships all over me. After a couple hours, the mission ended, I presume because of depleted hull integrity (I wasn't flooded whatsoever). What gives? At night the sea is pitch-black like the sky. I don't think any sailor would have spotted a wake, started up those big engines on the BB and sped off at top speed in under a ship-length. This mission is impossible to complete. So, is there anything that addresses this issue? I'm aware of GWX, and I enjoy it, but my current machine doesn't run it well. I'd be interested in any small-ish mod that addresses some AI behavior. I'd also like to know if it's possible to at least alter the mission files to equip my sub with some wake-less electric torpedoes. I really like this game, but some of the issues are borderline ridiculous

09-22-11, 05:16 AM	#2
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Its been an issue since release, the merchant fleet mod reduces this some way but not completely. __________________

09-22-11, 06:17 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	@Luno Hi matey...GWX was designed to run on the same system specs required to run stock. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-22-11, 06:32 AM	#4
PapaKilo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Or open Campaign_SCR via SH3 mission editor and stick that BB to the bottom with anchor It will never escape your torps again

09-22-11, 05:47 PM	#9
BigRich Sailor man Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 50 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Ah yes. I once hit a westbound small merchant ship with my last torpedo somewhere north of Ireland. This hit brought her speed down to zero with a heavy portside list. I waited and circled, hoping this (stationary) ship would sink. Alas, the higher the time compression I used, the more she speeds up. I lost her somewhere in a storm, southwest of the Rockall Banks...

09-22-11, 08:32 PM	#11
Luno Ensign Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 234 Downloads: 123 Uploads: 0	The torpedoes were fairly close to the surface because I wanted to use the impact pistol. The waters were shallow and I didn't want the torpedoes to hit a sand bar or net. I think the torp depth was only 2 meters. The game renders the wake regardless. In another case I fired off one torpedo at 10-11 meters depth, and the tanker sped off right as the fish was about to hit. I know what you mean about that training mission. I was able to get that ship after the umpteenth time by programming just a little bit of forward speed into the Torpedo Kommandogerat. That mission is annoyingly difficult because the ships are scattered to the four winds and zig zag as soon as one goes down. I was only able to sink all the ships by going full speed on the surface and using the UZO to aim and fire fast torpedoes from 500 meters. I didn't imagine that the bug would affect everything in the single missions and campaigns too, and that's a shame.