Your Preference: Same boat throughout the war, or climb the submarine ladder?

Ducimus · 06-27-11, 10:50 AM

Im sure ive posted a simlilar poll before, but an Inquiring mind wants to know.
Some people get partial to their submarine, and love their "old girl" and like to see it evolve over time.
Other people prefer to get the latest and greatest in submarine types.
If you had to choose between one of the two, which is your greatest preference?

razark · 06-27-11, 11:15 AM

"...as they become available."

Does that mean that when a new boat type is available, you get moved to it, or just the option of taking a newer boat?

I liked SH3, where I could earn my way into a new boat, with the class being my choice, when I chose to upgrade. I'm a bit annoyed with SH4, where I'm offered an upgrade, and not given any sort of choice. It seems a bit broken to me, and I believe the level of brokeness has been demonstrated before.

Ducimus · 06-27-11, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razark

"...as they become available."

Does that mean that when a new boat type is available, you get moved to it, or just the option of taking a newer boat?

I liked SH3, where I could earn my way into a new boat, with the class being my choice, when I chose to upgrade. I'm a bit annoyed with SH4, where I'm offered an upgrade, and not given any sort of choice. It seems a bit broken to me, and I believe the level of brokeness has been demonstrated before.

This may explain things a bit:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=10

Daniel Prates · 06-27-11, 11:38 AM

I'm voting on climbing the ladder.

Actually, we are just discussing the medals issue in another current thread. It is my opinion that "medals, schmedals": give some sort of reward I can really enjoy. Having upgrades (even boat upgrades) is something worth fighting for.

Dogfish40 · 06-27-11, 12:12 PM

Ahoy
I like both. This past patrol I was offered the Gato and I took it but, after three patrols in the Salmon, I found it unbelievably hard to push the button. I miss the Salmon like it was a real boat. Fortunately, (and I beleive unrealistically) most of my crew came with me, which was unexpected.
My point is, I like upgrading, but I do get attached to particular boats.
Unbelievable for a game.
D40

razark · 06-27-11, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogfish40

Fortunately, (and I beleive unrealistically) most of my crew came with me, which was unexpected.

I'd like to see this issue addressed. I'd like to be able to have 1/4 or 1/3 of my crew replaced each patrol, and a new crew when I take a new boat.

I would even be happy if I could do it manually, but there's not enough crew in reserve for me to do it. Is there a way to increase the number of crew in the replacement pool?

Armistead · 06-27-11, 02:01 PM

I would just prefer the option, not either or.

One issue I hate is when I want to keep the same boat eventually if I refuse a new boat, instead of keeping the old one, I get retired. I think it happened on my third refusal. Not sure if that's correct or maybe an issue I alone have.

Ducimus · 06-27-11, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

I would just prefer the option, not either or.

Problem is the way the game is coded, when it rewards you, it offers you a refit, OR a new command. The trouble is, the way it behaves it's logic goes like this:

(pardon the psudo code but i think you get the idea)

If
NewCommand Available = true
Then
PlayerReward = newCommand
Else
PlayerReward = Refit.

So if you want refits to occur more often, you have to limit the number of new commands (Edit: or rather, Upgrade class availabilty). Right now, i think the chances of riding a gato or whatever and seeing it go through its 3 to 4 conning tower evolutions is next to nill.

pabbi · 06-27-11, 02:53 PM

I like to start with S-boat but then when i get offered a fleet boat i like too stay with it.

Ducimus · 06-27-11, 02:59 PM

For those who like to climb the ladder.

How would you define that ladder? Group the boats by which step you think they should come in.

razark · 06-27-11, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If
NewCommand Available = true
Then
PlayerReward = newCommand
Else
PlayerReward = Refit.

So, the problem is that it rarely hits the Else clause?

Just a thought, as I'm not too clear on how the game is set up:
Would it be possible to create a number of new playable units, with no refits available?

So instead of:
Class 1
-Refit 1
-Refit 2
-Refit 3
Class 2
-Refit 1
-Refit 2
Class 3
-Refit 1

You remove the refits, and make them basically different classes, with the refits included:
Class 1
Class 1, Refit 1
Class 1, Refit 2
Class 1, Refit 3
Class 2
Class 2, Refit 1
Class 2, Refit 2
Class 3
Class 3, Refit 1

Ducimus · 06-27-11, 03:42 PM

That would be an utter nightmare to work out.

Sailor Steve · 06-27-11, 04:51 PM

I don't expect to have a career that lasts the entire war, and I expect to stay with the same boat for the six or seven patrols that each career lasts.

magic452 · 06-27-11, 05:05 PM

I like working my way up from say an S boat or Porpoise to the Balao.

I like to see some reward for doing good, the medals don't do it so a new boat will.

Magic

TorpX · 06-27-11, 05:34 PM

I like being able to earn the option of a new command, but I will usually start out in an S boat and make at least 4 or 5 patrols before I consider a new one. I think one should have at least that many patrols in a particular boat. It wouldn't seem right to move on to another boat too soon.

View Poll Results: Which is your greatest preference?
I prefer to have the same boat throughout the war.	12	27.27%
I prefer to obtain the newest model boat as they become available.	32	72.73%
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06-27-11, 10:50 AM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Your Preference: Same boat throughout the war, or climb the submarine ladder? Im sure ive posted a simlilar poll before, but an Inquiring mind wants to know. Some people get partial to their submarine, and love their "old girl" and like to see it evolve over time. Other people prefer to get the latest and greatest in submarine types. If you had to choose between one of the two, which is your greatest preference?

06-27-11, 11:15 AM	#2
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	"...as they become available." Does that mean that when a new boat type is available, you get moved to it, or just the option of taking a newer boat? I liked SH3, where I could earn my way into a new boat, with the class being my choice, when I chose to upgrade. I'm a bit annoyed with SH4, where I'm offered an upgrade, and not given any sort of choice. It seems a bit broken to me, and I believe the level of brokeness has been demonstrated before. __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

06-27-11, 12:12 PM	#5
Dogfish40 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: LA Area, Central coast, California Posts: 1,023 Downloads: 827 Uploads: 0	Ahoy I like both. This past patrol I was offered the Gato and I took it but, after three patrols in the Salmon, I found it unbelievably hard to push the button. I miss the Salmon like it was a real boat. Fortunately, (and I beleive unrealistically) most of my crew came with me, which was unexpected. My point is, I like upgrading, but I do get attached to particular boats. Unbelievable for a game. D40 __________________ *Dogfish40*

06-27-11, 02:53 PM	#9
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 215 Downloads: 454 Uploads: 0	I like to start with S-boat but then when i get offered a fleet boat i like too stay with it. __________________ On the top of the world

06-27-11, 11:38 AM	#4
Daniel Prates Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 938 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	I'm voting on climbing the ladder. Actually, we are just discussing the medals issue in another current thread. It is my opinion that "medals, schmedals": give some sort of reward I can really enjoy. Having upgrades (even boat upgrades) is something worth fighting for.

06-27-11, 02:01 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I would just prefer the option, not either or. One issue I hate is when I want to keep the same boat eventually if I refuse a new boat, instead of keeping the old one, I get retired. I think it happened on my third refusal. Not sure if that's correct or maybe an issue I alone have.

06-27-11, 02:59 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	For those who like to climb the ladder. How would you define that ladder? Group the boats by which step you think they should come in.

06-27-11, 03:42 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	That would be an utter nightmare to work out.

06-27-11, 04:51 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't expect to have a career that lasts the entire war, and I expect to stay with the same boat for the six or seven patrols that each career lasts. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-27-11, 05:05 PM	#14
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I like working my way up from say an S boat or Porpoise to the Balao. I like to see some reward for doing good, the medals don't do it so a new boat will. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

06-27-11, 05:34 PM	#15
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I like being able to earn the option of a new command, but I will usually start out in an S boat and make at least 4 or 5 patrols before I consider a new one. I think one should have at least that many patrols in a particular boat. It wouldn't seem right to move on to another boat too soon.