Who should vote in the US?

tater · 03-31-11, 04:24 PM

Apparently anyone.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/15...all-for-states

Similar story in NM. The new governor ordered a similar study and simply compared the number of illegal aliens with driver's licenses with the voter registrations and there was a bunch of overlap. Many also actually voted (guess which party, lol).

We wouldn't want to "disenfranchise" people, would we?

Takeda Shingen · 03-31-11, 04:27 PM

Ridiculous. That is simply ridiculous.

tater · 03-31-11, 04:33 PM

I know in the case of New Mexico we're a closely divided state on the national level elections. Sometimes going one way or another by well under 1000 votes.

Heather Wilson (R) won in 2006, but by under 900 votes. The margin would have been greater without several hundred illegals voting. Note that in Colorado, these were merely "non-citizens." Some might have been US citizens who moved to another State. NM alone has thousands of registered illegal aliens.

It's really ridiculous. Many elections are very close, and anyone illegally voting disenfranchises a citizen. The acceptable level of illegal voting should be zero.

Ducimus · 03-31-11, 04:39 PM

Nothing will ever be done because the jackwagons who want to get re elected don't want to piss off the growing hispanic vote. (give you three guesses why the hispanic vote is growing but the first two don't count.

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If congress was going to do anything about immigration they would have done it already. This problem as been ongoing for years.... decades even. They ain't doing squat except talk. talk talk and more talk. All show, and no go.

tater · 03-31-11, 04:44 PM

Republicans have tried to get the DLs for illegals repealed here, but since they don't control the legislature, it never goes through. The Democrats want illegals to have a DL because they know they will illegally vote. That was said when they passed the law, and they said it would never happen. It has been proved, since illegals have registered, and actually voted, it's right there in the voter records.

Then the republicans tried to get stricter voter ID laws. Democrats are against those, too. They claim that having to show ID with "scare" legal voters away from the polls for some inexplicable reason. It'll scare ILLEGAL voters, to be sure. Since they know who the illegals vote for though...

Ducimus · 03-31-11, 04:50 PM

Tater, Illegal immigration has been a problem long before we had a Democratic controlled congress. Even when the Reublican's had control of the white house AND congress nothing (or little to nothing at best) was done. This problem has been ongoing since the F'ing 80's. Probably before even then. They simply are NOT going to do anything. Espeically now since they want votes.

Gargamel · 03-31-11, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Republicans have tried to get the DLs for illegals repealed here, but since they don't control the legislature, it never goes through. The Democrats want illegals to have a DL because they know they will illegally vote. That was said when they passed the law, and they said it would never happen. It has been proved, since illegals have registered, and actually voted, it's right there in the voter records.

I think that's a failure of the voter registration laws, not of the DL laws.

As a paramedic for many years, I know I'd rather have "trained" drivers on the road rather than random people. Not saying it'd really make a difference, but it'd help some. Anyways, I believe I can travel overseas and obtain a DL in England correct? Whats the difference with any foreigner getting a DL here?

tater · 03-31-11, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

I think that's a failure of the voter registration laws, not of the DL laws.

As a paramedic for many years, I know I'd rather have "trained" drivers on the road rather than random people. Not saying it'd really make a difference, but it'd help some. Anyways, I believe I can travel overseas and obtain a DL in England correct? Whats the difference with any foreigner getting a DL here?

Not a foreigner, an ILLEGAL ALIEN can get a DL in NM.

They claimed it was so they'd be legal and get insurance, etc. Not that you need a DL to insure a vehicle anyway. Also, of the accidents caused by illegals, apparently 98% of them are uninsured anyway. The law is an utter failure.

It IS a democrat problem, because the control the State House, and they made the voter registration laws such that having a DL gets you a registration... then give DLs to illegals. Poof! Instant, illegal, democrat voters. (there is no citizenship requirement, other than claiming citizenship, and any government photo ID is "proof") The law was designed for enabling voter fraud as the primary purpose.

Democrats are consistently in favor of lax voter registration requirements. They are as a matter of platform against proof of citizenship for voter registration. It is very simply, they know who illegals vote for. If illegals voter for republicans, the tables would likely be turned—but they don't. Regardless, it's 100% wrong. Being against voter ID and proof of citizen requirements is being in favor of fraudulent voting, period.

Onkel Neal · 03-31-11, 07:13 PM

Yes, sad but true. Have to hang this one on the Democrats, they are always pushing to allow people to vote with no serious ID verification. Hell, we should also allow the Chinese to vote in our elections, they own most of the country.

Platapus · 03-31-11, 07:25 PM

Since we have a problem getting American citizens to even vote in the first place, if states tighten up the laws (which they should), election day will be a ghost town. /sarcasm

tater · 03-31-11, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Since we have a problem getting American citizens to even vote in the first place, if states tighten up the laws (which they should), election day will be a ghost town. /sarcasm

Heck, they even took write-in votes in AK where they read the "intent of the voter" even though the law says that the name must be spelled correctly for the vote to count.

In general, too many vote, IMHO. People without a basic understanding of government should be disallowed. Since public education exists, and is free, this is not a draconian standard since everyone has the free means by which to obtain this very minimal level of education.

TorpX · 03-31-11, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

It IS a democrat problem, because the control the State House, and they made the voter registration laws such that having a DL gets you a registration... then give DLs to illegals. Poof! Instant, illegal, democrat voters. (there is no citizenship requirement, other than claiming citizenship, and any government photo ID is "proof") The law was designed for enabling voter fraud as the primary purpose.

Democrats are consistently in favor of lax voter registration requirements. They are as a matter of platform against proof of citizenship for voter registration. It is very simply, they know who illegals vote for. If illegals voter for republicans, the tables would likely be turned—but they don't. Regardless, it's 100% wrong. Being against voter ID and proof of citizen requirements is being in favor of fraudulent voting, period.

Onkel Neal · 07-11-12, 11:42 AM

Poll Workers on Primary Day in Washington, DC offer US Attorney General Eric Holder's ballot... to a complete stranger. No ID needed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mexico requires proof of ID to vote. Why are we so stupid?

mookiemookie · 07-11-12, 12:51 PM

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“We don’t have a screen for citizenship on the front end when people register to vote,” he said.

(Said in my best mechanic's voice) "Well there's your problem right there."

nikimcbee · 07-11-12, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

(Said in my best mechanic's voice) "Well there's your problem right there."

03-31-11, 04:24 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Who should vote in the US? Apparently anyone. http://thehill.com/homenews/house/15...all-for-states Similar story in NM. The new governor ordered a similar study and simply compared the number of illegal aliens with driver's licenses with the voter registrations and there was a bunch of overlap. Many also actually voted (guess which party, lol). We wouldn't want to "disenfranchise" people, would we? __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

03-31-11, 04:33 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I know in the case of New Mexico we're a closely divided state on the national level elections. Sometimes going one way or another by well under 1000 votes. Heather Wilson (R) won in 2006, but by under 900 votes. The margin would have been greater without several hundred illegals voting. Note that in Colorado, these were merely "non-citizens." Some might have been US citizens who moved to another State. NM alone has thousands of registered illegal aliens. It's really ridiculous. Many elections are very close, and anyone illegally voting disenfranchises a citizen. The acceptable level of illegal voting should be zero. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

03-31-11, 04:44 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Republicans have tried to get the DLs for illegals repealed here, but since they don't control the legislature, it never goes through. The Democrats want illegals to have a DL because they know they will illegally vote. That was said when they passed the law, and they said it would never happen. It has been proved, since illegals have registered, and actually voted, it's right there in the voter records. Then the republicans tried to get stricter voter ID laws. Democrats are against those, too. They claim that having to show ID with "scare" legal voters away from the polls for some inexplicable reason. It'll scare ILLEGAL voters, to be sure. Since they know who the illegals vote for though... __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

03-31-11, 07:13 PM	#9
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yes, sad but true. Have to hang this one on the Democrats, they are always pushing to allow people to vote with no serious ID verification. Hell, we should also allow the Chinese to vote in our elections, they own most of the country. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-31-11, 07:25 PM	#10
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Since we have a problem getting American citizens to even vote in the first place, if states tighten up the laws (which they should), election day will be a ghost town. /sarcasm __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-31-11, 04:27 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Ridiculous. That is simply ridiculous.

03-31-11, 04:39 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Nothing will ever be done because the jackwagons who want to get re elected don't want to piss off the growing hispanic vote. (give you three guesses why the hispanic vote is growing but the first two don't count. ) If congress was going to do anything about immigration they would have done it already. This problem as been ongoing for years.... decades even. They ain't doing squat except talk. talk talk and more talk. All show, and no go.

03-31-11, 04:50 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Tater, Illegal immigration has been a problem long before we had a Democratic controlled congress. Even when the Reublican's had control of the white house AND congress nothing (or little to nothing at best) was done. This problem has been ongoing since the F'ing 80's. Probably before even then. They simply are NOT going to do anything. Espeically now since they want votes.

07-11-12, 11:42 AM	#13
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Poll Workers on Primary Day in Washington, DC offer US Attorney General Eric Holder's ballot... to a complete stranger. No ID needed. Correct me if I'm wrong but Mexico requires proof of ID to vote. Why are we so stupid? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web