Dowly, Stug!

Freiwillige · 03-15-11, 10:46 AM

Don't know if you have seen this yet but damn sure is a sexy beast!

Starting at 6:30 she rolls!

Sorry!

Dowly · 03-15-11, 10:49 AM

Uh.. you forgot a link or something?

Freiwillige · 03-15-11, 11:05 AM

Fixed in first post, my bad.

Herr-Berbunch · 03-15-11, 11:08 AM

If you go straight to about seven minutes it looks like it's working fine itself!

Platapus · 03-15-11, 11:30 AM

Serious noob question.

What makes this an Assault Gun as opposed to a Tank or SP arty, or Tank Destroyer?

I never understood the nomenclature.

Raptor1 · 03-15-11, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Serious noob question.

What makes this an Assault Gun as opposed to a Tank or SP arty, or Tank Destroyer?

I never understood the nomenclature.

The StuG III was supposed to provide direct support for infantry attacks, much in the same way tanks in World War I were used. Therefore it was pretty much designed as a mobile armoured (direct fire) field gun, hence Assault Gun. It's not a tank, because it has no turret and serves a specialized purpose. It is, in fact, a form of self-propelled artillery, though not all SP Arty pieces are Assault Guns (Most are designed for indirect fire). It's not technically a tank destroyer because of its designed purpose, but later versions with higher velocity guns proved rather effective as tank destroyers, so it usually counts as one.

Freiwillige · 03-15-11, 11:47 AM

Well the Sturmgeshutz was allocated to the artillery units only. In its original form it had a short barreled 75mm gun designed for direct fire support, bunker busting.

Later when the T-34 came into Combat it was the easiest vehicle to up gun to the long 75mm anti tank gun but it was still only used by the mobile artillery units. They even had different uniforms then the Panzerwaffe.

The later Stug with the long 75 was technically a tank destroyer and the only unit capable of taking on a T-34.

Stug's had the highest tank kill total of any vehicle ever produced even to this day.

To be classified as a tank it has to have a turret, Mobile artillery was indirect fire, Assault gun's are direct fire, And tank destroyers are essentially assault guns equipped for the anti armor role, at least in the German army.

Penguin · 03-15-11, 11:47 AM

Wow, amazing condition! Some years ago tanks were recovered from polish bogs which condition was much worse.

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Serious noob question.

What makes this an Assault Gun as opposed to a Tank or SP arty, or Tank Destroyer?

I never understood the nomenclature.

The difference to a tank would be the lack of a turnable turrent, to a tank destroyer my guess would be the armor and the cannon size/armor penetration power.

Historically the Stugs were under command of the artillery, their purpose was however to give infantry support. So I would say that the difference to SP artillery would be their effective range and the ability to fire directly at a target.

Penguin · 03-15-11, 11:50 AM

lol, 3 idiots who have the same thoughts at the same time...

Freiwillige · 03-15-11, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

lol, 3 idiots who have the same thoughts at the same time...

I prefer three brilliant historians who all answered correctly!

Raptor1 · 03-15-11, 11:57 AM

Indeed.

Oh, do note that some Assault Guns, such as the KV-2 and the Churchill AVRE, did have turrets. Though they still don't really count as tanks because of their low velocity guns and specialized design.

TLAM Strike · 03-15-11, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Oh, do note that some Assault Guns, such as the KV-2 and the Churchill AVRE, did have turrets. Though they still don't really count as tanks because of their low velocity guns and specialized design.

Exactly, its not the equipment so much as the role. Any armored vehicle with a DF heavy gun used to support Infantry could be considered an Assault Gun, turret or no turret.

BTW, the Churchill AVRE didn't technically have a gun during the war, its main weapon was a huge spigot mortar. It got a low velocity gun post war.

Growler · 03-15-11, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Indeed.

Oh, do note that some Assault Guns, such as the KV-2 and the Churchill AVRE, did have turrets. Though they still don't really count as tanks because of their low velocity guns and specialized design.

That has a lot to do with the designation - a low-velocity primary armament almost immediately defines the vehicle's role as indirect-fire capable infantry support. AT Guns, TDs, and tanks are direct-fire weapons (not saying they can't be used for indirect fire, but that's not their designed intent.)

Assault guns (esp. the short-barrel 75s) can fire both direct and indirect missions using the same primary weapon with little to no change in operation.

Freiwillige · 03-15-11, 12:13 PM

Indeed and another example is the M-10 and M-18 hellcat of the us Army, they were tank destroyers but had turrets.

Growler · 03-15-11, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Indeed and another example is the M-10 and M-18 hellcat of the us Army, they were tank destroyers but had turrets.

But because the US Army liked to keep its TD crews cold, wet, miserable, and unprotected, for some absurd reason, they never finished the turret roof, which made these vehicles' crews especially vulnerable to tree-burst artillery and even small arms fire.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Uh.. you forgot a link or something?

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Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Fixed in first post, my bad.

03-15-11, 11:47 AM	#7
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Well the Sturmgeshutz was allocated to the artillery units only. In its original form it had a short barreled 75mm gun designed for direct fire support, bunker busting. Later when the T-34 came into Combat it was the easiest vehicle to up gun to the long 75mm anti tank gun but it was still only used by the mobile artillery units. They even had different uniforms then the Panzerwaffe. The later Stug with the long 75 was technically a tank destroyer and the only unit capable of taking on a T-34. Stug's had the highest tank kill total of any vehicle ever produced even to this day. To be classified as a tank it has to have a turret, Mobile artillery was indirect fire, Assault gun's are direct fire, And tank destroyers are essentially assault guns equipped for the anti armor role, at least in the German army.

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Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	lol, 3 idiots who have the same thoughts at the same time...

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Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Indeed and another example is the M-10 and M-18 hellcat of the us Army, they were tank destroyers but had turrets.