You see, if you want to plagiarize, you need to plagiarize with style!

the_tyrant · 03-07-11, 08:10 PM

http://attrition.org/errata/charlata...udy_guide.html

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The book "Spyware Reference & Study Guide" is published by LIGATT Publishing (ISBN 0-9745611-1-8), in other words self published by Gregory D. Evans. The information sheet lists William R. Fisher as the editor, but it does not appear the book benefited from any form of editing other than layout. For example, one of the few lines that we found not to be plagiarized reads "Attacked has complete control over your machine, can execute command is your place." The last two chapters can not be positively identified as coming from another source, but exhibit enough characteristics to make us completely sure that the material is not authored by Evans. Notes and examples of this are included below.

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Total Pages with Plagiarised Content
320 / 322 (99.3%)

better copy pasting than Vendor

Growler · 03-07-11, 10:46 PM

Wow.

That takes "Failing" to hitherto unseen levels.

Platapus · 03-08-11, 08:42 AM

The Frau teaches a community college. She tells me horror stories about the rampant plagiarizing that goes on.

She had this one student who had a hard time communicating in the written language. In reading her stuff, I honestly thought she had written it in a foreign language and then put it through a machine translation program. But no, the way she wrote is the way she spoke.

Then the student turned in a 15 page paper. It was at the quality of writing that I would have going for my PhD.

It took The Frau about 30 minutes to find the website where the student purchased the paper

It never occurred to me, but there are websites where you can enter the name of your college, the name/number of the class you are taking and download all the assignments. WTF?

What these stupid kids don't understand is that with the advent of the Internet Tubes, it is easier to plagiarize, but it is also far easier to find plagiarizing too.

Well now that this kid was caught buying a paper, I assumed they would fail the class or better yet be expelled right?

Buzz! Wrong answer

This kid who was caught buying a paper and submitting it as her own work was counseled. Counseled. As in being talked to.

She got a zero for this paper but was allowed to continue in the class after she had been caught cheating!!!!!

This is what is messed up in the schools. Kids are caught cheating and there is no consequence.

We. Are. Teaching. Kids. That. It. Is. Ok. To. Cheat. That they can cheat and if caught can continue on.

Put this near the top if the list of Things I just don't understand.

My boss used to be a college instructor. At his college, there was this up policy: If a Freshman failed a class, the class and the grade was nor recorded on the student record and the Freshman could retake the class.

I could see the use of this policy in cases of academic deficiency, but he said that in reality it gave all the Freshmen a free ride for cheating. If caught, they could retake the class and nothing would be on their records.....

Unless the Freshmen took the class from my boss. When (not if) he caught a Freshmen cheating or plagiarizing, he would not fail them, but would give them a D.

This did stay on their record and did not allow them to retake the class.

I love my boss. He can be such a dick.

Growler · 03-08-11, 12:27 PM

Oh, brother, Plat, you said a mouthful.

It's just about criminal how much students get away with; it's even sadder when you think that, get away with it or not, these are the people who, upon graduating, will be eligible for the better, higher-paying jobs, just because they have that degree. *sigh*

My aunt is a college nursing instructor for grad school students. She had one of her students submit a new paper for her class that - (you're gonna love this; your Frau will, too) - included a bibliography/reference list that already had comments and remarks from the instructor who'd graded that same paper for another student. The instructor? Yeah. My aunt.

Schroeder · 03-08-11, 01:40 PM

For those who missed it the (now former) German minister of defence had to step down and got his PhD removed because his thesis was plagiarized by about 25%.
I hope they get them all. They are giving all honest academics a bad name.

Penguin · 03-08-11, 02:29 PM

What I don't get about the cheater's mentality: everytime they look at their degree they see a big FAKE sign across it, how can you be proud of something you didn't achieve by yourself?

While I believe that plagiatism has always existed (just look at the Roman Gods

), I think we have a special mentality among the younger generation. They think wikipedia is a reference for anything and that knowledge is only one click away.

Information != knowledge, you gotta work for knowledge.

A professor from the uni I attend, told me that he finds wikipedia copy&paste in about 30% of the papers he gets. This is computer science studies, one should expect that people know to work scientifically and how good plagiatism software has become nowadays....

Another point which really interests me: how many actually let their work write by someone else? Hard to find any numbers here, but in the times of globalization, it became affordable for anyone in the West, not only for rich folks like it used to be. So I would bet that more people walk this path.

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Originally Posted by Growler

It's just about criminal how much students get away with; it's even sadder when you think that, get away with it or not, these are the people who, upon graduating, will be eligible for the better, higher-paying jobs, just because they have that degree. *sigh*

Just look at the number of imbeciles in higher positions in any work environment, maybe we have a clue here...

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Originally Posted by Growler

My aunt is a college nursing instructor for grad school students. She had one of her students submit a new paper for her class that - (you're gonna love this; your Frau will, too) - included a bibliography/reference list that already had comments and remarks from the instructor who'd graded that same paper for another student. The instructor? Yeah. My aunt.

good one!

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

For those who missed it the (now former) German minister of defence had to step down and got his PhD removed because his thesis was plagiarized by about 25%.
I hope they get them all. They are giving all honest academics a bad name.

The latest numbers I read was that he copied 49%...

He didn't even have the guts to admit his mistakes. All he did was some lousy "mhh, yesm I had stress this time...you can't expect to be aware of any sentence of the work" excuse. And a big number of Germans still defend him!

Schroeder · 03-08-11, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

And a big number of Germans still defend him!

Don't get me started on this one.

Platapus · 03-08-11, 05:33 PM

What is actually funny is that about 200 years ago plagiarism was respected and expected in academia.

Contemporary readers slam Thomas Jefferson for his rampant plagiarism, and he did plagiarize a lot. But that's how scholarly work was done back then. Different culture

03-07-11, 10:46 PM	#2
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Wow. That takes "Failing" to hitherto unseen levels. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

03-08-11, 08:42 AM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The Frau teaches a community college. She tells me horror stories about the rampant plagiarizing that goes on. She had this one student who had a hard time communicating in the written language. In reading her stuff, I honestly thought she had written it in a foreign language and then put it through a machine translation program. But no, the way she wrote is the way she spoke. Then the student turned in a 15 page paper. It was at the quality of writing that I would have going for my PhD. It took The Frau about 30 minutes to find the website where the student purchased the paper It never occurred to me, but there are websites where you can enter the name of your college, the name/number of the class you are taking and download all the assignments. WTF? What these stupid kids don't understand is that with the advent of the Internet Tubes, it is easier to plagiarize, but it is also far easier to find plagiarizing too. Well now that this kid was caught buying a paper, I assumed they would fail the class or better yet be expelled right? Buzz! Wrong answer This kid who was caught buying a paper and submitting it as her own work was counseled. Counseled. As in being talked to. She got a zero for this paper but was allowed to continue in the class after she had been caught cheating!!!!! This is what is messed up in the schools. Kids are caught cheating and there is no consequence. We. Are. Teaching. Kids. That. It. Is. Ok. To. Cheat. That they can cheat and if caught can continue on. Put this near the top if the list of Things I just don't understand. My boss used to be a college instructor. At his college, there was this up policy: If a Freshman failed a class, the class and the grade was nor recorded on the student record and the Freshman could retake the class. I could see the use of this policy in cases of academic deficiency, but he said that in reality it gave all the Freshmen a free ride for cheating. If caught, they could retake the class and nothing would be on their records..... Unless the Freshmen took the class from my boss. When (not if) he caught a Freshmen cheating or plagiarizing, he would not fail them, but would give them a D. This did stay on their record and did not allow them to retake the class. I love my boss. He can be such a dick. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-08-11, 12:27 PM	#4
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Oh, brother, Plat, you said a mouthful. It's just about criminal how much students get away with; it's even sadder when you think that, get away with it or not, these are the people who, upon graduating, will be eligible for the better, higher-paying jobs, just because they have that degree. sigh My aunt is a college nursing instructor for grad school students. She had one of her students submit a new paper for her class that - (you're gonna love this; your Frau will, too) - included a bibliography/reference list that already had comments and remarks from the instructor who'd graded that same paper for another student. The instructor? Yeah. My aunt. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

03-08-11, 01:40 PM	#5
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	For those who missed it the (now former) German minister of defence had to step down and got his PhD removed because his thesis was plagiarized by about 25%. I hope they get them all. They are giving all honest academics a bad name. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

03-08-11, 05:33 PM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	What is actually funny is that about 200 years ago plagiarism was respected and expected in academia. Contemporary readers slam Thomas Jefferson for his rampant plagiarism, and he did plagiarize a lot. But that's how scholarly work was done back then. Different culture __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.