Will Walker win?

Armistead · 03-03-11, 01:40 PM

Most polls show his ratings starting to really tank. Dems still out of town.

I've never figured the reason of the legality of it, but why do politicians go out of state? Why don't they just stay home and not go to work. Sure there's a legal reason why, hard to believe they could be locked up for staying in state and not voting.

I honestly don't know who I'm for.

03-03-11, 01:46 PM

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Most polls show his ratings starting to really tank.

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Its because his "cost cutting" is just union bashing for the sake of it.
He took his mandate and then went way beyond it on an ideological crusade.

Armistead · 03-03-11, 02:00 PM

Private run unions can do what they want, public unions do need to be line. Course with states being broke, it's cut cost or shed workers. States are cutting regarding the private sector, so I agree all should be in line.

Course if the GOP didn't let corporations run amuck, the middle class would be thriving and it wouldn't be an issue. It's possible unions will take off again in the future to fight corporate america running the middle class into poverty.

Platapus · 03-03-11, 02:33 PM

While I accept that leaving the state is a legal political maneuver; and I recognize that both parties do it, I personally find it distasteful and not in keeping with the concept of an elected representative.

They are elected to represent the citizens and that means showing up and making the unpopular decisions.

Running away to prevent a quorum is dishonourable to me.

gimpy117 · 03-03-11, 02:45 PM

Im glad to see his ratings tank. you can't just get rid of collective bargaining and then slash corporate taxes without somebody getting mad.

Freiwillige · 03-03-11, 03:25 PM

I am all for him, I hope he kicks the unions in the nuts!

Corporations raping from the top and unions raping from the bottom its amazing we average Americans get any scraps at all.

gimpy117 · 03-03-11, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

I am all for him, I hope he kicks the unions in the nuts!

Corporations raping from the top and unions raping from the bottom its amazing we average Americans get any scraps at all.

huh??? Unions give better wages for the people. the people who are complaining are the people at the top who think it hurts your bottom line

tater · 03-03-11, 05:18 PM

Public employees should not be allowed to unionize at all.

They have a mechanism to demand better contracts, it's called the political system. Our elected representatives should be free to set salaries, and hire and fore at will. The current system allows them to in effect elect their own bosses, and the very people who decide what they get paid.

There is no balance at all, unlike in the private sector where if a union demands too much, they literally put themselves out of work as they cause their employer to fail (look at GM, the only reason this didn't happen was they were bailed out (make no mistake, the bailout was for the UNION (payback), not for GM)).

Bubblehead1980 · 03-03-11, 07:15 PM

Most polls associated with the WI teacher issue that suddenly show Walker's approval in decline and more support for the Union are skewed and giving a false picture of their support.The polls showed a split with a slight lead for Walker's plan then all of sudden a CBS poll showed different, NY times followed, like magically overnight the numbers change.They started sampling DEMOCRATS only. Can't find the link right now but also heard O'Reilly talking about it and believe it's true, CBS is in the tank for left wing, obviously.

I believe Walker will ultimately get what he wants, citizens know it is needed.

Armistead · 03-03-11, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

Im glad to see his ratings tank. you can't just get rid of collective bargaining and then slash corporate taxes without somebody getting mad.

I don't think unions should be public, since the taxpayers don't get a vote in it, but with the corporate rape, we'll all have to get in a union to try and get benefits in the future.

gimpy117 · 03-03-11, 07:43 PM

true...policy should set public employees...but is he getting rid of collective bargaining for all or just public employees?

Blood_splat · 03-03-11, 07:56 PM

tater · 03-03-11, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

true...policy should set public employees...but is he getting rid of collective bargaining for all or just public employees?

The WI bill is only for public employees. The news and unions don't want you to know that, perhaps, but that's all we're talking about. ONLY WI State employees, no one else.

gimpy117 · 03-03-11, 08:38 PM

oh boy. and the conspiracy theories come out. "the unions don't want you to know"

tater · 03-03-11, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh boy. and the conspiracy theories come out. "the unions don't want you to know"

They protest as if this is an attack on ALL unions, don't they?

03-03-11, 01:40 PM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Will Walker win? Most polls show his ratings starting to really tank. Dems still out of town. I've never figured the reason of the legality of it, but why do politicians go out of state? Why don't they just stay home and not go to work. Sure there's a legal reason why, hard to believe they could be locked up for staying in state and not voting. I honestly don't know who I'm for.

03-03-11, 02:33 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	While I accept that leaving the state is a legal political maneuver; and I recognize that both parties do it, I personally find it distasteful and not in keeping with the concept of an elected representative. They are elected to represent the citizens and that means showing up and making the unpopular decisions. Running away to prevent a quorum is dishonourable to me. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	Im glad to see his ratings tank. you can't just get rid of collective bargaining and then slash corporate taxes without somebody getting mad. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-03-11, 05:18 PM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Public employees should not be allowed to unionize at all. They have a mechanism to demand better contracts, it's called the political system. Our elected representatives should be free to set salaries, and hire and fore at will. The current system allows them to in effect elect their own bosses, and the very people who decide what they get paid. There is no balance at all, unlike in the private sector where if a union demands too much, they literally put themselves out of work as they cause their employer to fail (look at GM, the only reason this didn't happen was they were bailed out (make no mistake, the bailout was for the UNION (payback), not for GM)). __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	true...policy should set public employees...but is he getting rid of collective bargaining for all or just public employees? __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-03-11, 02:00 PM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Private run unions can do what they want, public unions do need to be line. Course with states being broke, it's cut cost or shed workers. States are cutting regarding the private sector, so I agree all should be in line. Course if the GOP didn't let corporations run amuck, the middle class would be thriving and it wouldn't be an issue. It's possible unions will take off again in the future to fight corporate america running the middle class into poverty.

03-03-11, 03:25 PM	#6
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I am all for him, I hope he kicks the unions in the nuts! Corporations raping from the top and unions raping from the bottom its amazing we average Americans get any scraps at all.

03-03-11, 07:15 PM	#9
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,121 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Most polls associated with the WI teacher issue that suddenly show Walker's approval in decline and more support for the Union are skewed and giving a false picture of their support.The polls showed a split with a slight lead for Walker's plan then all of sudden a CBS poll showed different, NY times followed, like magically overnight the numbers change.They started sampling DEMOCRATS only. Can't find the link right now but also heard O'Reilly talking about it and believe it's true, CBS is in the tank for left wing, obviously. I believe Walker will ultimately get what he wants, citizens know it is needed.

03-03-11, 07:56 PM	#12
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0

03-03-11, 08:38 PM	#14
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	oh boy. and the conspiracy theories come out. "the unions don't want you to know" __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army