IDF battletests new RPG Killer.

TLAM Strike · 03-02-11, 12:26 PM

A CIWS for the Land Battleship!

http://defensetech.org/2011/03/02/ne...-combat-debut/

Neat! I knew the Russians had something like this. Can't wait until the US finally gets one deployed.

CCIP · 03-02-11, 12:30 PM

What's an MEFP? Is that to say that it basically vents a shrapnel explosion in the direction of the incoming RPG at close range, presumably deflecting/destroying it before it makes contact?

Raptor1 · 03-02-11, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

What's an MEFP? Is that to say that it basically vents a shrapnel explosion in the direction of the incoming RPG at close range, presumably deflecting/destroying it before it makes contact?

Possibly, I know the Soviet and Russian systems used a small rocket which detonated in front of the incoming warhead, thus destroying it with shrapnel.

TLAM Strike · 03-02-11, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

What's an MEFP? Is that to say that it basically vents a shrapnel explosion in the direction of the incoming RPG at close range, presumably deflecting/destroying it before it makes contact?

UnderseaLcpl · 03-02-11, 02:20 PM

Aw, damnit! EFP's!? That's about as much fun as ERA

In retrospect, my expectations were a bit childish but....well, I was kind of hoping it would be a laser or something

Oberon · 03-02-11, 02:30 PM

Impressive.
There's also an 'anti-laser' in the works now which should make things interesting in the future.

TLAM Strike · 03-02-11, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Impressive.
There's also an 'anti-laser' in the works now which should make things interesting in the future.

Oh no we are not talking Traveler style "Sandcasters"?

With the weight of the device and the storage for the ablation particles you might as just well haul the armor around since it doesn't come with all the holes in the defenses.

CCIP · 03-02-11, 05:56 PM

That's pretty cool. I could see this being pretty effective against the usual HEAT weapons. Wouldn't do much of anything against a big warhead or a kinetic weapon though, would it...

Penguin · 03-02-11, 05:58 PM

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Some reports indicated the intercept was close enough to trigger the tank’s automatic fire ‘Spectronix’ protection, which have lead to Palestinian claims of actually hitting the tank.

Does anybody know how this Spectronix system works? I can imagine that it emits some kind of foam or CO2 to kill the fire.

UnderseaLcpl · 03-02-11, 08:21 PM

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There's also an 'anti-laser' in the works now which should make things interesting in the future.

What on God's green Earth is an anti-laser? A system for neutralizing hostile lasers?

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That's pretty cool. I could see this being pretty effective against the usual HEAT weapons. Wouldn't do much of anything against a big warhead or a kinetic weapon though, would it...

It's not made for such applications. It's supposed to defeat infantry-portable AT weapons. I'm still not seeing the point of the system, though. Spaced armor has the same effect at a fraction of the cost, and it doesn't rely upon blowing a large section of the tank's protective layer away to counter one warhead. We learned long ago that volley-fired HEAT weapons were an effective countermeasure to tanks; this system doesn't do anything to fix that. It might work against Islamic insurgents who are all but combat ineffective to begin with, but it's not going to stand up against trained regulars.

I have a suspicion that what we are looking at is a very expensive and all but worthless system peddled to people who don't know any better.

Skybird · 03-02-11, 09:14 PM

The Russians and Israelis and Brits are not the only ones playing in this sandpit. The Germans are also in:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5260297

This is just one such system, I think there are two or three other systems in developement or assessement, too.

TLAM Strike · 03-02-11, 09:58 PM

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What on God's green Earth is an anti-laser? A system for neutralizing hostile lasers?

Ok in theory you use a magnetic beam or some sort to project a stream of diamond particles in to the path of the incoming laser. The particles deflect the beam before being vaporized (ablated). The idea is that you can take all the weight in armor on a vehicle and concentrate it against one or more (depending on number of emitters) threats. Also replacing the armor would be as simple as reloading cartridges of diamond particles.

Obviously multiple threats become a problem, and this system would be so big that is basically needs to be the same size as whatever is shooting at it to be effective.

There is another system that's been tested by Yale that absorbs laser energy as heat. Which sounds great until the vehicle mounted with this melts.

Currently lasers are going to be an anti-missile and anti-aircraft weapon, so mounting some kind of anti-laser defense would be adding defensive weight which is bad for a fighter or strike fighter. At least with a ablative armor beam it could be used as a weapon at close range. Maybe that Yale anti-laser would work on a missile to protect it from having its control surfaces shot off before impact by a Laser-CIWS.

the_tyrant · 03-02-11, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Ok in theory you use a magnetic beam or some sort to project a stream of diamond particles in to the path of the incoming laser. The particles deflect the beam before being vaporized (ablated). The idea is that you can take all the weight in armor on a vehicle and concentrate it against one or more (depending on number of emitters) threats. Also replacing the armor would be as simple as reloading cartridges of diamond particles.

Obviously multiple threats become a problem, and this system would be so big that is basically needs to be the same size as whatever is shooting at it to be effective.

There is another system that's been tested by Yale that absorbs laser energy as heat. Which sounds great until the vehicle mounted with this melts.

Currently lasers are going to be an anti-missile and anti-aircraft weapon, so mounting some kind of anti-laser defense would be adding defensive weight which is bad for a fighter or strike fighter. At least with a ablative armor beam it could be used as a weapon at close range. Maybe that Yale anti-laser would work on a missile to protect it from having its control surfaces shot off before impact by a Laser-CIWS.

I thought a mirror is good enough

TLAM Strike · 03-02-11, 10:32 PM

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I thought a mirror is good enough

LOL. Yea sure, willing to bet your life on that?

No mirror is 100% efficient. Any weapon sufficiently powerful to damage a military vehicle is going to vaporize a mirror with the bleed through energy.

Castout · 03-02-11, 10:46 PM

Been talked and hyped for a while now.

The counter to that is simpler than itself. It has always been like that.

Just another layer to be countered which will after some time. There's no edge that's going to stay ahead forever.

03-02-11, 12:26 PM	#1
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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	What's an MEFP? Is that to say that it basically vents a shrapnel explosion in the direction of the incoming RPG at close range, presumably deflecting/destroying it before it makes contact? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Aw, damnit! EFP's!? That's about as much fun as ERA In retrospect, my expectations were a bit childish but....well, I was kind of hoping it would be a laser or something __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	That's pretty cool. I could see this being pretty effective against the usual HEAT weapons. Wouldn't do much of anything against a big warhead or a kinetic weapon though, would it... __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Russians and Israelis and Brits are not the only ones playing in this sandpit. The Germans are also in: http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5260297 This is just one such system, I think there are two or three other systems in developement or assessement, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Impressive. There's also an 'anti-laser' in the works now which should make things interesting in the future.

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Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Been talked and hyped for a while now. The counter to that is simpler than itself. It has always been like that. Just another layer to be countered which will after some time. There's no edge that's going to stay ahead forever. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/