Most Afghans in southern states 'clueless' about 9/11

Diopos · 11-20-10, 03:55 AM

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We need to explain to the Afghan people why we are here and both show and convince them that their future is better with us than with the Taliban," ICOS president Norine MacDonald said in a statement.

Now?

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Skybird · 11-20-10, 05:15 AM

"according to a new survey"..???

On what distant planet is ICOS living? I hope far away indeed. That way their competence cannot do damage here.

Platapus · 11-20-10, 09:11 AM

Lemme see if I got this straight

So we have invaded a country; declared "war" against them; and are killing people who not only had nothing to do with the 911 attacks but evidently, if this article is true, in those two provinces, are unaware they even happened.

I wonder if there is a way to verify the accuracy of this article? As we fully know in the US, "studies" and "surveys" can say anything you want them to say.

If it is true, it must suck to have your family killed in retaliation for an attack you were not even aware of.

krashkart · 11-20-10, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

[...] it must suck to have your family killed in retaliation for an attack you were not even aware of.

That brings a question to mind:

How many of us knew on 9/11 why we were being attacked? I didn't, and I still don't fully comprehend why.

TLAM Strike · 11-20-10, 09:27 AM

Considering that TV, Radio, Internet, and non-religious books were banned in Afghanistan its not surprising they don't know about 9/11.

SteamWake · 11-20-10, 09:27 AM

Strange I dont recall declaring war against a country.

ReFaN · 11-20-10, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

That brings a question to mind:

How many of us knew on 9/11 why we were being attacked? I didn't, and I still don't fully comprehend why.

Think it was because of the US presence in Saudi Arabia, and the sanctions against Iraq, Not fully sure tho.

krashkart · 11-20-10, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Considering that TV, Radio, Internet, and non-religious books were banned in Afghanistan its not surprising they don't know about 9/11.

That's a very good point. The less people know the easier they are to control.

Capt Sinbad · 11-20-10, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ReFaN

Think it was because of the US presence in Saudi Arabia, and the sanctions against Iraq, Not fully sure tho.

I will add 2 more to that list

Western Foreign Policy in particular the US
The Palestinian Question

Skybird · 11-20-10, 09:54 AM

Consider the Palestinian "question" being solved, and 9/11 still would have been carried out. The Palestinian issue is massievly overestimated by Western politicians - it is not even half as dearly to the Arab heart as Westerners assume it is. Israelis are not paying much attention to it anymore, and worry for different things. Arabs dislike Palestinians in general, and abuse them for opportunistic propaganda coups only when they expect to have a benefit from banging that drum again. And the Palestinians themselves have repatedly done their best to give themselves a bad name in the Arab world.

While Western policies most likely helped to strenghten motivation of Islamic terror, they are not needed for jihad to strike at thew West. That the West is not Islamic, and that Muslim regimes are corrupt and their elites not true in their following of Quranic rules - that is the motivation of jihad, and is reason enough for jihad to strike.

Enforcing the rule of Islam is the goal of Islam, and is mandatory. It is the way Muhammad behaved in hius life, carried over to the following centuries, and ultimately to the present. Islam is CONQUEST and SUBJUGATION.

MH · 11-20-10, 11:57 AM

Well said Skybird.
From Islamic point of view west is poisoning and corrupting Muslim culture because they totally contradict each other at current form.
Israel is seen as island of that culture in Arab/Muslim world.
There is also big conflict with in Muslim world between suni an shi'its Muslim-call it Iranian islam vs Saudi islam.
Compered to this ,Palestinian Israeli conflict is just a background noise.
I belive countries like Egypt (which fight radical islam)or even Saudi Arabia would be happy to find a good reason to aline it self with Israel and US for that matter even.if its contradicts their basic ideology.
While Suni and shi'its fight each other for influence in arab world the extremists on both sides are against West.

Buddahaid · 11-20-10, 12:36 PM

If only the Ottoman Empire still existed....

Diopos · 11-20-10, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

If only the Ottoman Empire still existed....

In behalf of its christian and al least some of its arab former subjects I must say good ridance. Missing out the Renaissance, "Rule of Law" statehood - civil rights and the industrial revolution was too much! In the end The Empire was a Dinosaur. Atatürk knew it!

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TFatseas · 11-20-10, 05:52 PM

Yeah, I don't believe that.

Platapus · 11-20-10, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Lemme see if I got this straight

So we have invaded a country; declared "war" against them; and are killing people who not only had nothing to do with the 911 attacks but evidently, if this article is true, in those two provinces, are unaware they even happened.

I wonder if there is a way to verify the accuracy of this article? As we fully know in the US, "studies" and "surveys" can say anything you want them to say.

If it is true, it must suck to have your family killed in retaliation for an attack you were not even aware of.

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Originally Posted by krashkart

That brings a question to mind:

How many of us knew on 9/11 why we were being attacked? I didn't, and I still don't fully comprehend why.

I had thought of that parallel also. Makes you kinda think about stuff.

Two groups of people being attacked in retaliation of an attack they did not know of and had no participation in.

And the circle continues.....

11-20-10, 05:15 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,737 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	"according to a new survey"..??? On what distant planet is ICOS living? I hope far away indeed. That way their competence cannot do damage here. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-20-10, 09:11 AM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,999 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Lemme see if I got this straight So we have invaded a country; declared "war" against them; and are killing people who not only had nothing to do with the 911 attacks but evidently, if this article is true, in those two provinces, are unaware they even happened. I wonder if there is a way to verify the accuracy of this article? As we fully know in the US, "studies" and "surveys" can say anything you want them to say. If it is true, it must suck to have your family killed in retaliation for an attack you were not even aware of. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-20-10, 09:27 AM	#5
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Considering that TV, Radio, Internet, and non-religious books were banned in Afghanistan its not surprising they don't know about 9/11. __________________

11-20-10, 09:27 AM	#6
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Strange I dont recall declaring war against a country. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

11-20-10, 09:54 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,737 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Consider the Palestinian "question" being solved, and 9/11 still would have been carried out. The Palestinian issue is massievly overestimated by Western politicians - it is not even half as dearly to the Arab heart as Westerners assume it is. Israelis are not paying much attention to it anymore, and worry for different things. Arabs dislike Palestinians in general, and abuse them for opportunistic propaganda coups only when they expect to have a benefit from banging that drum again. And the Palestinians themselves have repatedly done their best to give themselves a bad name in the Arab world. While Western policies most likely helped to strenghten motivation of Islamic terror, they are not needed for jihad to strike at thew West. That the West is not Islamic, and that Muslim regimes are corrupt and their elites not true in their following of Quranic rules - that is the motivation of jihad, and is reason enough for jihad to strike. Enforcing the rule of Islam is the goal of Islam, and is mandatory. It is the way Muhammad behaved in hius life, carried over to the following centuries, and ultimately to the present. Islam is CONQUEST and SUBJUGATION. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-20-10, 11:57 AM	#11
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Well said Skybird. From Islamic point of view west is poisoning and corrupting Muslim culture because they totally contradict each other at current form. Israel is seen as island of that culture in Arab/Muslim world. There is also big conflict with in Muslim world between suni an shi'its Muslim-call it Iranian islam vs Saudi islam. Compered to this ,Palestinian Israeli conflict is just a background noise. I belive countries like Egypt (which fight radical islam)or even Saudi Arabia would be happy to find a good reason to aline it self with Israel and US for that matter even.if its contradicts their basic ideology. While Suni and shi'its fight each other for influence in arab world the extremists on both sides are against West.

11-20-10, 12:36 PM	#12
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,578 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	If only the Ottoman Empire still existed.... __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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TFatseas Medic Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 166 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I don't believe that.