History Lesson needed

Gargamel · 11-05-10, 08:24 PM

So I encounter a mini convoy last night. Its dark, medium seas. I really didnt even see the armed trawler for a while, as we were at about 10km out, but it was an Armed trawler (darkened), Medium Cargo (Lit), Large tanker (lit), tugboat (semi-lit), running close in single file.

Now I always check the flags, but its almost always neutral on lit ships, but you never know. So I find this:

Now at my first cursory glances, I thought it was Canadian. I was having real trouble making it out, as it always seemed to lite the backside of hte flag, and not the side im looking at. I then thinks it's Irish, as the colors are hard to make out. Eventually I made it as French, which I assumed it was an enemy.

Well it's October, 1940.

I sank the tanker. The tugboat then proceeded to run into the foundering tanker,

, and when the tanker blew up, the tug went with it. Luckily I didnt get charged with sinking the tugboat too, cause renown losses aren't based on tonnage I think.

So please, enlighten me. Why is France considered Neutral at this time? I'd have thought they were allied.

And yes I consult that nice chart GWX provides for flag recognition, hence my uber confusion when i thought they were canadian. But, when I saw they were french, I said, Kill the french!

FIREWALL · 11-05-10, 09:21 PM

Maybe the Tanker gets the renoun hit.

Seriously I saw this posted awhile back but can't remember. Sorry.

Kapt Z · 11-05-10, 09:22 PM

Maybe Vichy French?

Don't know exactly when that gov't was established.

frau kaleun · 11-05-10, 09:39 PM

France surrendered to Germany in June 1940, after which occupied France under the Vichy government was considered a neutral nation and continued to use the French (tricolor) flag. Occupied France would remain neutral until late 1944, when DeGaulle took over after the Allied re-occupation.

So if you sank a ship flying the standard tricolor French flag in October 1940, it was indeed a neutral ship.

FIREWALL · 11-05-10, 09:47 PM

Damn those tricky frogs.

Sailor Steve · 11-05-10, 10:07 PM

If you're using GWX, check the flag sheet in the periscope and UZO view.

The listing for France says "(AL) (Allied) 03/09/39-25/06/40, and then 23/10/44-14/08/45". Between June 1940 and October 1944 France is owned by Germany.

Gargamel · 11-05-10, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If you're using GWX, check the flag sheet in the periscope and UZO view.

The listing for France says "(AL) (Allied) 03/09/39-25/06/40, and then 23/10/44-14/08/45". Between June 1940 and October 1944 France is owned by Germany.

Well i read the dates AFTER i sunk the ship.... But it was frennnnnnch

....... so i killeded it...... sigh....

Gargamel · 11-05-10, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

France surrendered to Germany in June 1940, after which occupied France under the Vichy government was considered a neutral nation and continued to use the French (tricolor) flag. Occupied France would remain neutral until late 1944, when DeGaulle took over after the Allied re-occupation.

So if you sank a ship flying the standard tricolor French flag in October 1940, it was indeed a neutral ship.

OK makes sense. I'm gonna read up on the free french then too....

frau kaleun · 11-06-10, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gargamel

OK makes sense. I'm gonna read up on the free french then too....

The Free French should be flying this flag:

papa_smurf · 11-08-10, 06:07 AM

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If you're using GWX, check the flag sheet in the periscope and UZO view.

Or, do as I have done and print off the recognition page and stick it next to your computer so you don't end up sinking a neutral.

11-05-10, 08:24 PM	#1
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	History Lesson needed So I encounter a mini convoy last night. Its dark, medium seas. I really didnt even see the armed trawler for a while, as we were at about 10km out, but it was an Armed trawler (darkened), Medium Cargo (Lit), Large tanker (lit), tugboat (semi-lit), running close in single file. Now I always check the flags, but its almost always neutral on lit ships, but you never know. So I find this: Now at my first cursory glances, I thought it was Canadian. I was having real trouble making it out, as it always seemed to lite the backside of hte flag, and not the side im looking at. I then thinks it's Irish, as the colors are hard to make out. Eventually I made it as French, which I assumed it was an enemy. Well it's October, 1940. I sank the tanker. The tugboat then proceeded to run into the foundering tanker, , and when the tanker blew up, the tug went with it. Luckily I didnt get charged with sinking the tugboat too, cause renown losses aren't based on tonnage I think. So please, enlighten me. Why is France considered Neutral at this time? I'd have thought they were allied. And yes I consult that nice chart GWX provides for flag recognition, hence my uber confusion when i thought they were canadian. But, when I saw they were french, I said, Kill the french! __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

11-05-10, 09:21 PM	#2
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Maybe the Tanker gets the renoun hit. Seriously I saw this posted awhile back but can't remember. Sorry. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-05-10, 09:22 PM	#3
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Maybe Vichy French? Don't know exactly when that gov't was established. __________________ ...I fought in many guises, many names, but always me. Patton

11-05-10, 09:47 PM	#5
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Damn those tricky frogs. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-05-10, 10:07 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	If you're using GWX, check the flag sheet in the periscope and UZO view. The listing for France says "(AL) (Allied) 03/09/39-25/06/40, and then 23/10/44-14/08/45". Between June 1940 and October 1944 France is owned by Germany. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-05-10, 09:39 PM	#4
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	France surrendered to Germany in June 1940, after which occupied France under the Vichy government was considered a neutral nation and continued to use the French (tricolor) flag. Occupied France would remain neutral until late 1944, when DeGaulle took over after the Allied re-occupation. So if you sank a ship flying the standard tricolor French flag in October 1940, it was indeed a neutral ship.