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http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=383&report=95
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In a way, the EU has imposed blasphemy laws on itself, too. It just does not call them like that, nor are national legislative structure all that willing to fully embrace that insane EU-commanded course.
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In comparison, laws in canada allow special privilege for religious reasons
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That's just wrong. Just having an idea about criminilasing any criticism should be criminalised. |
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Since Europe accepted millions of Muslim it a cake that must be dealt with.
It would be good idea to simply close borders and try to absorb Muslims currently living there -because of cultural differences its a process that may take a long time. Now question is if Europeans have a problem with radical Islam or with Muslims as whole. A comunity of educated Muslims that goes to mosque instead of church on sunday or simply fast on Ramadan would still be a problem? |
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I think there is a fundamental problem with Islam itself, personally. It is, unlike other major religions fundamentally political in nature. Shar'ia is a goal that most probably aspire to. IMHO, the extant religion is incompatible with Western progressive democracy.
The trouble is that even were some true moderate sect to emerge, it's merely the ability to read Arabic away from fundamentalism because the very worst bits are right there in black and white. |
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Especially from Iran there come a lot of very educated, quite burgoise people to Germany, many of them flee from the autocratic tyranny they have there. The question then is whether they are willing enough to leave behind certain key aspects of Islam that are incompatible with Western constitutions and valuie systems and the tradition of Western humanism. Some are like that, some or not. Islam is different from Christianity, not only by content, but by structure as well, you cannot alter and reform and modify it that easily without bringing the whole conceotion of Islam to fall. That is why I say Islam must not be reformed and modenrised, but overcome. They should define themselves on with what top replace it, else it will not find legitimation amongst them. Their choices on what they reject in Islam and to what degree they embrace Western values if they want to live here and contribute to our nations and societies, shall decide whether we welcome them, or not. But that they have to integrate in full in our socieites, and that not we need to chnage oursaelves in order to adapt to them- this condition is non-negotiable for me. Whenever there is a conflict between the value system they have brought with them colliding with ours, they have to step down and give it up, because they came to our country - not we went to theirs. I have seen Islamic social orders in a variety on different Muhammeddan countries and their societies, I have been there. And I do not want them one bit in the world that I call my and our home. Islam is no contribution to our cultural life. It is a reduction and eradication of cultural value and diversity. However. The article is not just aiming at Islam, but religion in general, which amongst the exmained countries means orthodox Christian church in Greece, and Catholic church in Poland.
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Here we see the not so strange bedfellows of the religious. There have been other occasions where the Catholic reaction to perceived blasphemy against Islam has been to attack blasphemy as the problem, not the insane Muslim reaction to it.
We see the same in domestic politics where the hyper-religious wish for an easing of separation of church and state (prayers in school, or religious "just-so" stories taught as science), not realizing or not caring that this is an open door for islam to demand equal time in the future since setting a "state" church is something that even they realize is illegal, so there can never be allowances for Christian beliefs in the US without also allowing Islam to have equal time... a terrible spiral to begin. |
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