Weird... blew up during training?

kapuhy · 10-15-10, 04:32 PM

Just moments ago, my fresh U-boat commander and his crew were killed during training and I really don't know how it happened. After sending fourth target to the bottom, I turned the boat towards only remaining ship, hit time compression and moments after I was flooded by damage reports of all kinds - 5% hull integrity, all compartments flooding, many dead (including everyone in forward torpedo room) There was nothing hostile (after all, it's a training mission - before the war!), nothing to collide with... does this game model incompetent sailors accidentally detonating a torpedo while reloading?

Capt. Teach · 10-15-10, 04:49 PM

I haven't done the training missions in a very very very long time ... so I can't remember if this is possible ... but from your description ... it =sounds= like you ran into a mine. Of course, I'm just guessing, but that is what that sounds like.

Freiwillige · 10-15-10, 04:50 PM

Okay one of two things pops into my head.

1. Time compression, just how much time did you advance? Its a dangerous thing when heading towards another ship.

2. mines, you hit one and boom!

desirableroasted · 10-15-10, 05:32 PM

Are there mines in the training missions? First I have heard of them, but then I haven't done them in a long while.

Sounds to me like you rammed something.

irish1958 · 10-15-10, 08:05 PM

WOW
I have lost a ship on a patrol just out of the harbor by hitting a mine; I thought I had the record but you have topped it.

Sailor Steve · 10-15-10, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

nothing to collide with...

Except the ship you turned toward. I've been run over by ships in fog while running at TC.

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does this game model incompetent sailors accidentally detonating a torpedo while reloading?

No, but it does model incompetent captains not paying proper attention to their situation. How close to the last ship you sank were you when you took the damage. A very long time ago I died in a training mission when a ship I was shelling from 500 meters blew up, taking me with it.

Schwieger · 10-16-10, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A very long time ago I died in a training mission when a ship I was shelling from 500 meters blew up, taking me with it.

haha there are some really funny ways to die in the training missions... I once collided with an aircraft I had downed in the AA training and died from that.

kapuhy · 10-16-10, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, but it does model incompetent captains not paying proper attention to their situation. How close to the last ship you sank were you when you took the damage. A very long time ago I died in a training mission when a ship I was shelling from 500 meters blew up, taking me with it.

Yup, that would be it (except the slim possibility of running into a mine, but who would put mines in vinicity of Kiel before the war even started?). I'm sure I didn't ram anything (the ship I turned towards was still a dot on horizon after it happened, and since I didn't use time compression until I completed the turn, I'm also sure I didn't ram the sinking one). But being damaged by explosion seems more likely (I think I was about 600-700 meters from my last target) though I assumed that if the initial "huge" explosion did no harm to me, secondary explosions while the sinking ship is already underwater would also be safe. Well, wrong assumption.

So, how far from exploding enemy is considered safe?

Jimbuna · 10-16-10, 08:22 AM

You will find the mine defences of Kiel were laid (in game terms) from Jan 38 and remained until Dec 45.

kapuhy · 10-16-10, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

You will find the mine defences of Kiel were laid (in game terms) from Jan 38 and remained until Dec 45.

Ouch... I don't think even Field Marshall Haig would order his men to conduct training exercises in the middle of a minefield.

desirableroasted · 10-16-10, 12:50 PM

So there are mines in the training missions? And no mention of them in the SH3 User Manual (which is useless, granted; still)?

Thank you Ubisoft for making the game easy for newbies. I am not sure I would have stayed with the game if I had gotten blown up in training.

Jimbuna · 10-16-10, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

Ouch... I don't think even Field Marshall Haig would order his men to conduct training exercises in the middle of a minefield.

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Originally Posted by desirableroasted

So there are mines in the training missions? And no mention of them in the SH3 User Manual (which is useless, granted; still)?

Thank you Ubisoft for making the game easy for newbies. I am not sure I would have stayed with the game if I had gotten blown up in training.

Apologies, let me make myself clear....I was talking abot the SH3 game with the GWX3 supermod added.

Capt. Teach · 10-18-10, 03:01 AM

There is a page you can pull down (from I think the periscope station) in the upper left hand corner of your screen that shows you where the defensive mine fields are laid out at all the ports. This is in GWX 3.0 Gold.

You might want to check that against your position where you went BOOM.

I think Jimbuna can confirm this as well.

Sailor Steve · 10-18-10, 09:27 AM

It's in the F5 Navigation Map screen.

Jimbuna · 10-18-10, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Teach

There is a page you can pull down (from I think the periscope station) in the upper left hand corner of your screen that shows you where the defensive mine fields are laid out at all the ports. This is in GWX 3.0 Gold.

You might want to check that against your position where you went BOOM.

I think Jimbuna can confirm this as well.

The navigation map

Drag it down using the game cursor

10-15-10, 04:32 PM	#1
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 874 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Weird... blew up during training? Just moments ago, my fresh U-boat commander and his crew were killed during training and I really don't know how it happened. After sending fourth target to the bottom, I turned the boat towards only remaining ship, hit time compression and moments after I was flooded by damage reports of all kinds - 5% hull integrity, all compartments flooding, many dead (including everyone in forward torpedo room) There was nothing hostile (after all, it's a training mission - before the war!), nothing to collide with... does this game model incompetent sailors accidentally detonating a torpedo while reloading?

10-15-10, 04:49 PM	#2
Capt. Teach Gunner Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: U-64, Generally Posts: 94 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 1	I haven't done the training missions in a very very very long time ... so I can't remember if this is possible ... but from your description ... it *=sounds=* like you ran into a mine. Of course, I'm just guessing, but that is what that sounds like. __________________ Death? I'm not afraid of death, its the last few seconds of life that scare the hell out of me.

10-15-10, 05:32 PM	#4
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Are there mines in the training missions? First I have heard of them, but then I haven't done them in a long while. Sounds to me like you rammed something. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

10-15-10, 08:05 PM	#5
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	WOW I have lost a ship on a patrol just out of the harbor by hitting a mine; I thought I had the record but you have topped it. __________________ Irish1958

10-16-10, 08:22 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You will find the mine defences of Kiel were laid (in game terms) from Jan 38 and remained until Dec 45. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-15-10, 04:50 PM	#3
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Okay one of two things pops into my head. 1. Time compression, just how much time did you advance? Its a dangerous thing when heading towards another ship. 2. mines, you hit one and boom!

10-16-10, 12:50 PM	#11
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	So there are mines in the training missions? And no mention of them in the SH3 User Manual (which is useless, granted; still)? Thank you Ubisoft for making the game easy for newbies. I am not sure I would have stayed with the game if I had gotten blown up in training. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

10-18-10, 03:01 AM	#13
Capt. Teach Gunner Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: U-64, Generally Posts: 94 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 1	There is a page you can pull down (from I think the periscope station) in the upper left hand corner of your screen that shows you where the defensive mine fields are laid out at all the ports. This is in GWX 3.0 Gold. You might want to check that against your position where you went BOOM. I think Jimbuna can confirm this as well. __________________ Death? I'm not afraid of death, its the last few seconds of life that scare the hell out of me.

10-18-10, 09:27 AM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	It's in the F5 Navigation Map screen. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo