Really really Skilled Aux Subchaser (TMO)

Dignan · 10-09-10, 09:06 AM

Someone tell me if this is normal.

I'm in a campaign and got pinned under by a lone auxiliary subchaser in the east java sea. (the how and why isn't important ... Ok, I was trying out the Dick Okane targeting method and got overzealous with TC and before I realized I was tracking a subchaser the ship detected me.)

I'm in a Tambor class, running TMO and RSRDC. This damn thing has had me pinned under trying to evade for hours. I go silent, I change depths I "charge and coast" and have gone as deep as 410 feet. Even at that depth at zero knots the chaser still knows EXACTLY where I am and keeps dropping depth charges. I've even come to periscope depth a few times to try to get off a "down the throat" shot but he's always on me so fast that the torp won't arm in time and back down I go.

I'm not knew to SH4 and have had great success evading much more capable escorts so what am I doing wrong here? Is it TMO? Is it a fluke subchaser with really incredible sensors?

WernherVonTrapp · 10-09-10, 09:14 AM

The Aux Subchaser is an extremely small boat that is almost impossible to hit with a torp, especially if it's maneuvering. Even if you do hit it with a torp, it probably won't sink for a couple of days.

My advice is to save your torps. Don't bother trying to take it out with the DG either. Very small target to try and hit, and your shells will probably just bounce off it as if you're hitting a steel wall. They're very small (unless I'm confused with a different boat) so, they really shouldn't carry all that many depth charges. Steal away, any way that you can. I actually think you can outrun it on the surface. Good luck mate.

Are you running silent? Have you deactivated your Damage Control Team?

Dignan · 10-09-10, 10:06 AM

I wouldn't normally go after a subchaser. It was basically an accident that I let it get close enough to detect me.

I have disabled torpedo loading and damage control team. I'll load up the save and keep trying. Thanks for the response.

Armistead · 10-09-10, 10:53 AM

It's very limited in charges. Even if it runs out it will make dry runs. Course if it has charges, hit flank and turn a little as it goes over.

Is it the type with a DG or a machine gun?

With these little buggers, I just hit flank and use a lot of TC.

If its gun is in the front, get shallow as it makes a pass, using speed of course, when it passes, come up and blast it a few times, dive before it gets and angle, repeat....

Not sure, but a save and reload may respawn it's charge capacity.

When they run out of charges, I just hit flank and high TC, eventually that should rid it.

Dignan · 10-09-10, 12:05 PM

Thanks for all the advice. I think I finally shook him. (Game is on pause right now.) He did run out of depth charges. I guess I'm still wondering if this is normal though.

An Aux Subchaser who can detect a completely silent boat at 415ft in June of 1942???? I'm no expert, as some on this forum are, but that sounds like a bit of a stretch for that ship's detection abilities. Am I right in thinking that?

Bubblehead1980 · 10-09-10, 12:58 PM

Small craft such as an aux subchaser often had best sonar gear since its job was to hunt subs.Detecting you depends on sea state, your speed, proximity etc.Prob was a fluke but it does happen.As for being tough, well it may have been set to elite or just had a good fix on you.I've had a few tough run ins with them.My favorite was when I had to surface and instead of firing on me, the aux sub was going to ram me, out of desperation i manned the lone, aft 20 MM AA and held fire until it was about 500 yards away, then begin raking the bridge and gun area with fire. I scored many hits, the aux subchaser took a hard swing and come along my starboard side where i continues to rake the crew(saw the deck crew fall down from being hit) and then turned my fire to the depth charge rack, which exploded.The ship just kept sailing in a straight line and never came back.My diesels were destroyed from depth charges so had to quit that career but it was fun.If only had an abandon ship/scuttle ship option....

I posted a thread on this a few months ago with some SS, cant find it and deleted the SS.

Anyway, point of that is even the small boys can be tough.

Castout · 10-14-10, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dignan

Thanks for all the advice. I think I finally shook him. (Game is on pause right now.) He did run out of depth charges. I guess I'm still wondering if this is normal though.

An Aux Subchaser who can detect a completely silent boat at 415ft in June of 1942???? I'm no expert, as some on this forum are, but that sounds like a bit of a stretch for that ship's detection abilities. Am I right in thinking that?

I share your sentiment . . . . .

I couldn't approach a convoy I sighted in my current campaign without 4 small patrol boats waay smaller than destroyer detected me first from far far away at night.

It was so ridiculous that I installed easy AI for TMO 2.0

Japanese ASW capabilty was supposed to be horrible during most of the war period . . . .

10-09-10, 09:06 AM	#1
Dignan Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 698 Downloads: 262 Uploads: 0	Really really Skilled Aux Subchaser (TMO) Someone tell me if this is normal. I'm in a campaign and got pinned under by a lone auxiliary subchaser in the east java sea. (the how and why isn't important ... Ok, I was trying out the Dick Okane targeting method and got overzealous with TC and before I realized I was tracking a subchaser the ship detected me.) I'm in a Tambor class, running TMO and RSRDC. This damn thing has had me pinned under trying to evade for hours. I go silent, I change depths I "charge and coast" and have gone as deep as 410 feet. Even at that depth at zero knots the chaser still knows EXACTLY where I am and keeps dropping depth charges. I've even come to periscope depth a few times to try to get off a "down the throat" shot but he's always on me so fast that the torp won't arm in time and back down I go. I'm not knew to SH4 and have had great success evading much more capable escorts so what am I doing wrong here? Is it TMO? Is it a fluke subchaser with really incredible sensors?

10-09-10, 09:14 AM	#2
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	The Aux Subchaser is an extremely small boat that is almost impossible to hit with a torp, especially if it's maneuvering. Even if you do hit it with a torp, it probably won't sink for a couple of days. My advice is to save your torps. Don't bother trying to take it out with the DG either. Very small target to try and hit, and your shells will probably just bounce off it as if you're hitting a steel wall. They're very small (unless I'm confused with a different boat) so, they really shouldn't carry all that many depth charges. Steal away, any way that you can. I actually think you can outrun it on the surface. Good luck mate. Are you running silent? Have you deactivated your Damage Control Team? __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

10-09-10, 10:06 AM	#3
Dignan Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 698 Downloads: 262 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't normally go after a subchaser. It was basically an accident that I let it get close enough to detect me. I have disabled torpedo loading and damage control team. I'll load up the save and keep trying. Thanks for the response.

10-09-10, 10:53 AM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	It's very limited in charges. Even if it runs out it will make dry runs. Course if it has charges, hit flank and turn a little as it goes over. Is it the type with a DG or a machine gun? With these little buggers, I just hit flank and use a lot of TC. If its gun is in the front, get shallow as it makes a pass, using speed of course, when it passes, come up and blast it a few times, dive before it gets and angle, repeat.... Not sure, but a save and reload may respawn it's charge capacity. When they run out of charges, I just hit flank and high TC, eventually that should rid it.

10-09-10, 12:05 PM	#5
Dignan Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 698 Downloads: 262 Uploads: 0	Thanks for all the advice. I think I finally shook him. (Game is on pause right now.) He did run out of depth charges. I guess I'm still wondering if this is normal though. An Aux Subchaser who can detect a completely silent boat at 415ft in June of 1942???? I'm no expert, as some on this forum are, but that sounds like a bit of a stretch for that ship's detection abilities. Am I right in thinking that?

10-09-10, 12:58 PM	#6
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,107 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Small craft such as an aux subchaser often had best sonar gear since its job was to hunt subs.Detecting you depends on sea state, your speed, proximity etc.Prob was a fluke but it does happen.As for being tough, well it may have been set to elite or just had a good fix on you.I've had a few tough run ins with them.My favorite was when I had to surface and instead of firing on me, the aux sub was going to ram me, out of desperation i manned the lone, aft 20 MM AA and held fire until it was about 500 yards away, then begin raking the bridge and gun area with fire. I scored many hits, the aux subchaser took a hard swing and come along my starboard side where i continues to rake the crew(saw the deck crew fall down from being hit) and then turned my fire to the depth charge rack, which exploded.The ship just kept sailing in a straight line and never came back.My diesels were destroyed from depth charges so had to quit that career but it was fun.If only had an abandon ship/scuttle ship option.... I posted a thread on this a few months ago with some SS, cant find it and deleted the SS. Anyway, point of that is even the small boys can be tough.