Goose eggs... Common?

fastfed · 10-01-10, 12:31 AM

I decided to start a new career.. After install TMO and RSRD and getting the hang of the new controls and such, I decided after some advice to start a new career, dec 7th in Manila.

I am now about to start my THIRD patrol and its March 26th 1942.. They moved my base around each patrol and I am now in Aust.

That said, my first 2 patrols.. NOTHING!! and I don't mean I missed or anything, I mean I spotted NOTHING!! I went to every patrol area command told me to go to. I explored around that area, I still contacted not 1 ship..

A few planes here and there, but no merchants or destroyers??

Is this common? Or is something broken? I don't want to start my third patrol and find out I am wasting my time,

THANKS

Armistead · 10-01-10, 01:06 AM

I sent you a message. Remember with RSRD to think historic. If it works right the ships are there. I can stay in battle with large convoys or TF the first two years of the game.

Give me a date and I can send you somewhere to check. If you're in Fremantle, you've probably missed many of the large invasion forces coming to Java. There is a nice invasion group that heads to Christmas Island that you can ambush in the Sundra. I know it leaves through the Sundra late March, so you could probably sit in the Sundra March 25 and wait until it comes through..sit south.
I think it actually invades Christmas Islane March 31, but never looked for it there.

I sent you the Pacific animated link...your best friend with RSRD. Here is another good link, scroll down and look at the maps, many have dates. For instance the second map shows where the Jap carriers made their foray into the indian ocean in March..There's a great ambush spot above Timor, that might be close to your playing date.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...tml#appendix10

You could also go to data/campaigns and open each with the mission editor. I have never looked because I enjoy finding them, but I imagine it gives you a lot of exact info, just not sure how it works.

NorthBeach · 10-01-10, 01:08 AM

Depending how you want to play, this could be a gray area. If you want to play like you don't know the future, just head toward the southern seas where most of the early action occurred.

OR,

You could do a little research and find out where all the major battles were. RSRD is historical in its scripting. You'll be able to figure out where the targets will be and how they got there. Find the choke points.

Happy hunting!

Or, listen to Armistead

TorpexXIII · 10-01-10, 05:18 AM

I had exactly the same on TMO19 get TMO20 its way more realistic. ( I found ) Early in the war there arent many juicy convoys around. Lots of smaller encounters. I got TMO20 and havent looked back. Still no where as many contacts as stock but way more realistic. You dont want to expend all your torps before you get to the patrol zone, nor do you want zilch contacts...

Armistead · 10-01-10, 01:38 PM

He's playing RSRD which will rewrite all the taffic layers of any version of TMO...

fastfed · 10-01-10, 01:42 PM

ARgg.. By the time I started out at sea it was already mid April 42...I decided to see if the Battle of Coral sea is scripted and going to sit on the NW side of guadalcanal..

and wait.. ?? Will it work?

tomoose · 10-01-10, 01:49 PM

...on how you want to play the game. As mentioned you can use the "look into the future" method to find out where major activity will occur or you can use the old Mark 1 Brainbox and figure out where the merchant routes might be given "existing" maps/routes etc.

Personally, I have also experienced patrols where I return to base empty handed to refuel and go out again. I consider this realistic and a part of the RSRD gameplay. Yes it's frustrating but when you do come across a target it makes it all the more imperative to sink the bugger, LOL.

Armistead · 10-01-10, 02:38 PM

Why docked, you'll notice the lil movies that play explaining what the higher ups know. The US almost always knew what the JP's were doing since we could read their code. These briefings why at dock basically tell you what's coming up and where the action will be. However, usually your patrol isn't near where the upcoming action is.

This map is a great tool. Look at the invasions of the Philippines at the start of the war. The map shows all the invasion forces, their paths, ect. All of these are in the game. It's amazing the work Lurker put into RSRD. Best to resize and print this map, because it works with RSRD to perfection. Take the Java invasion. It's hard to see on this, but if you know where Jolo is near Tawi Tawi, this is where the large Java invasion fleet starts. There is a small shipping lane near Jolo. This is probably the largest convoy in RSRD and it path comes by Jolo.
Talk about raising cain, catch a 60 ship plus convoy in shallow water with lil islands to run around you can have some fun.

You see where the other Java forces leave Hainan. See the one path they take, but notice where they split near Sumatra. I won't get into details, but if you can catch the large group before they split up, you'll have enough ships to bring your PC to a crawl. One group heads to the right of Merak, the others more east.

Look at the invasion fleet coming from Palau to north of the San Bern. Notice it states Seaplanes. This group has some Chistose plane carriers. You don't see them often, so it's fun to attack..Jan 12, north of San Bern.

fastfed · 10-02-10, 12:16 AM

LOL I am on my 6th patrol and I sunk a TOTAL OF 4 Merchants.. And saw only 5 Merchants.. I have gone to EVERY single spot that HQ tells me to go to. I patrol everywhere I am supposed.. I am surprised they still allow me to go out, lol.. This is PATHETIC! I suck at this for some reason.. I think I might have to just stick with TWO and skip out on RSRD for now.. I just don't understand how I can go out for months, patrol the areas it tells me to, patrol area's on the map posted here and only run into airplanes EVERY hour on the surface..

NorthBeach · 10-02-10, 01:29 AM

Ah, therein lies part of your problem. Ignore the pinheads. Patrol the area they send you to, initially, if you feel you must. But, once your patrol time has elapsed (the icon has gone gray), feel free to give them the raspberry and go hunting. I tend to smile benignly as they hand me my orders. Then file them in the same cabinet in which I keep the tubes I took from Sparky's radio.

Armistead · 10-02-10, 04:29 AM

As NB said, going to the patrol zone is a basic waste of time with RSRD, although it does get you close sometimes.

Take this other map that shows movements of warships. I decided to look for something different other than the usual several large Java convoys.
If you look carefully a Main Body Cardiv leaves Palau for Kendari and shows it arriving on Feb 21. I decided to see if I could find it and decided on an ambush point between the smaller land masses where it turns west towards Kendari. The lower land mass would be Buka on your game map. I've never gone against this group, so why not. Sure enough on Feb 17 I get a contact. Finally able to ID the Hiryu, Soryu and another carrier. Several other CA's, but the fun will be it has a double ring of escorts, about 18 total. I paused after spotting it and will take it on later.

This is also the same Carrier group that invades the Indain Ocean later. If I chase it long enough it would eventually make it to Kendari and probably vanish or despawn so to speak..simply how ships dock in port in the game. Eventually it should spawn outside of Kendari and head to the Indian Ocean, so I could probably set up another attack. I would chose an ambush point in the little strait above Timor, don't see how I could miss it there.

Tell you what, give me an upcoming date and I'll play your Admiral and send you flash messages vectoring you to possible intercept points...bet I can make life interesting for ya...

fastfed · 10-02-10, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

As NB said, going to the patrol zone is a basic waste of time with RSRD, although it does get you close sometimes.

Take this other map that shows movements of warships. I decided to look for something different other than the usual several large Java convoys.
If you look carefully a Main Body Cardiv leaves Palau for Kendari and shows it arriving on Feb 21. I decided to see if I could find it and decided on an ambush point between the smaller land masses where it turns west towards Kendari. The lower land mass would be Buka on your game map. I've never gone against this group, so why not. Sure enough on Feb 17 I get a contact. Finally able to ID the Hiryu, Soryu and another carrier. Several other CA's, but the fun will be it has a double ring of escorts, about 18 total. I paused after spotting it and will take it on later.

This is also the same Carrier group that invades the Indain Ocean later. If I chase it long enough it would eventually make it to Kendari and probably vanish or despawn so to speak..simply how ships dock in port in the game. Eventually it should spawn outside of Kendari and head to the Indian Ocean, so I could probably set up another attack. I would chose an ambush point in the little strait above Timor, don't see how I could miss it there.

Tell you what, give me an upcoming date and I'll play your Admiral and send you flash messages vectoring you to possible intercept points...bet I can make life interesting for ya...

OK cool.. Im gonna play in about 10-15 minutes.. I'll let you know where and when I am

fastfed · 10-02-10, 03:50 PM

OK!! here goes Admiral.. I am sailing from Brisbane and its July 22nd, 1942.

I am still sailing with the Porpoise class so fuel is not so great.

LOL, I think they don't care about me, as I never have anything to come back with, I am always coming back dry

Thanks Admiral.

fastfed · 10-02-10, 04:11 PM

Oops.. Its acutally Aug 14th,

42

fastfed · 10-02-10, 04:12 PM

I got a flash traffic update, telling me IJN is resupplying and if I am in the area to Truk I should go there by Aug17th, the problem is, I will be late, probably get there by the 18th or 19th and I don't know if they already despawned

10-01-10, 12:31 AM	#1
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	Goose eggs... Common? I decided to start a new career.. After install TMO and RSRD and getting the hang of the new controls and such, I decided after some advice to start a new career, dec 7th in Manila. I am now about to start my THIRD patrol and its March 26th 1942.. They moved my base around each patrol and I am now in Aust. That said, my first 2 patrols.. NOTHING!! and I don't mean I missed or anything, I mean I spotted NOTHING!! I went to every patrol area command told me to go to. I explored around that area, I still contacted not 1 ship.. A few planes here and there, but no merchants or destroyers?? Is this common? Or is something broken? I don't want to start my third patrol and find out I am wasting my time, THANKS

10-01-10, 01:06 AM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I sent you a message. Remember with RSRD to think historic. If it works right the ships are there. I can stay in battle with large convoys or TF the first two years of the game. Give me a date and I can send you somewhere to check. If you're in Fremantle, you've probably missed many of the large invasion forces coming to Java. There is a nice invasion group that heads to Christmas Island that you can ambush in the Sundra. I know it leaves through the Sundra late March, so you could probably sit in the Sundra March 25 and wait until it comes through..sit south. I think it actually invades Christmas Islane March 31, but never looked for it there. I sent you the Pacific animated link...your best friend with RSRD. Here is another good link, scroll down and look at the maps, many have dates. For instance the second map shows where the Jap carriers made their foray into the indian ocean in March..There's a great ambush spot above Timor, that might be close to your playing date. http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...tml#appendix10 You could also go to data/campaigns and open each with the mission editor. I have never looked because I enjoy finding them, but I imagine it gives you a lot of exact info, just not sure how it works. Last edited by Armistead; 10-01-10 at 01:35 AM.

10-01-10, 01:08 AM	#3
NorthBeach Torpedoman Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 112 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	Depending how you want to play, this could be a gray area. If you want to play like you don't know the future, just head toward the southern seas where most of the early action occurred. OR, You could do a little research and find out where all the major battles were. RSRD is historical in its scripting. You'll be able to figure out where the targets will be and how they got there. Find the choke points. Happy hunting! Or, listen to Armistead Last edited by NorthBeach; 10-01-10 at 01:11 AM. Reason: DOH!!! Armistead pulled the trigger quicker than I did...

10-01-10, 01:49 PM	#7
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Depends.. ...on how you want to play the game. As mentioned you can use the "look into the future" method to find out where major activity will occur or you can use the old Mark 1 Brainbox and figure out where the merchant routes might be given "existing" maps/routes etc. Personally, I have also experienced patrols where I return to base empty handed to refuel and go out again. I consider this realistic and a part of the RSRD gameplay. Yes it's frustrating but when you do come across a target it makes it all the more imperative to sink the bugger, LOL.

10-01-10, 02:38 PM	#8
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Why docked, you'll notice the lil movies that play explaining what the higher ups know. The US almost always knew what the JP's were doing since we could read their code. These briefings why at dock basically tell you what's coming up and where the action will be. However, usually your patrol isn't near where the upcoming action is. This map is a great tool. Look at the invasions of the Philippines at the start of the war. The map shows all the invasion forces, their paths, ect. All of these are in the game. It's amazing the work Lurker put into RSRD. Best to resize and print this map, because it works with RSRD to perfection. Take the Java invasion. It's hard to see on this, but if you know where Jolo is near Tawi Tawi, this is where the large Java invasion fleet starts. There is a small shipping lane near Jolo. This is probably the largest convoy in RSRD and it path comes by Jolo. Talk about raising cain, catch a 60 ship plus convoy in shallow water with lil islands to run around you can have some fun. You see where the other Java forces leave Hainan. See the one path they take, but notice where they split near Sumatra. I won't get into details, but if you can catch the large group before they split up, you'll have enough ships to bring your PC to a crawl. One group heads to the right of Merak, the others more east. Look at the invasion fleet coming from Palau to north of the San Bern. Notice it states Seaplanes. This group has some Chistose plane carriers. You don't see them often, so it's fun to attack..Jan 12, north of San Bern. Last edited by Armistead; 10-01-10 at 02:53 PM.

10-01-10, 05:18 AM	#4
TorpexXIII Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 131 Downloads: 197 Uploads: 0	I had exactly the same on TMO19 get TMO20 its way more realistic. ( I found ) Early in the war there arent many juicy convoys around. Lots of smaller encounters. I got TMO20 and havent looked back. Still no where as many contacts as stock but way more realistic. You dont want to expend all your torps before you get to the patrol zone, nor do you want zilch contacts...

10-01-10, 01:38 PM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	He's playing RSRD which will rewrite all the taffic layers of any version of TMO...

10-01-10, 01:42 PM	#6
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	ARgg.. By the time I started out at sea it was already mid April 42...I decided to see if the Battle of Coral sea is scripted and going to sit on the NW side of guadalcanal.. and wait.. ?? Will it work?

10-02-10, 12:16 AM	#9
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	LOL I am on my 6th patrol and I sunk a TOTAL OF 4 Merchants.. And saw only 5 Merchants.. I have gone to EVERY single spot that HQ tells me to go to. I patrol everywhere I am supposed.. I am surprised they still allow me to go out, lol.. This is PATHETIC! I suck at this for some reason.. I think I might have to just stick with TWO and skip out on RSRD for now.. I just don't understand how I can go out for months, patrol the areas it tells me to, patrol area's on the map posted here and only run into airplanes EVERY hour on the surface..

10-02-10, 01:29 AM	#10
NorthBeach Torpedoman Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 112 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	Ah, therein lies part of your problem. Ignore the pinheads. Patrol the area they send you to, initially, if you feel you must. But, once your patrol time has elapsed (the icon has gone gray), feel free to give them the raspberry and go hunting. I tend to smile benignly as they hand me my orders. Then file them in the same cabinet in which I keep the tubes I took from Sparky's radio.

10-02-10, 04:29 AM	#11
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	As NB said, going to the patrol zone is a basic waste of time with RSRD, although it does get you close sometimes. Take this other map that shows movements of warships. I decided to look for something different other than the usual several large Java convoys. If you look carefully a Main Body Cardiv leaves Palau for Kendari and shows it arriving on Feb 21. I decided to see if I could find it and decided on an ambush point between the smaller land masses where it turns west towards Kendari. The lower land mass would be Buka on your game map. I've never gone against this group, so why not. Sure enough on Feb 17 I get a contact. Finally able to ID the Hiryu, Soryu and another carrier. Several other CA's, but the fun will be it has a double ring of escorts, about 18 total. I paused after spotting it and will take it on later. This is also the same Carrier group that invades the Indain Ocean later. If I chase it long enough it would eventually make it to Kendari and probably vanish or despawn so to speak..simply how ships dock in port in the game. Eventually it should spawn outside of Kendari and head to the Indian Ocean, so I could probably set up another attack. I would chose an ambush point in the little strait above Timor, don't see how I could miss it there. Tell you what, give me an upcoming date and I'll play your Admiral and send you flash messages vectoring you to possible intercept points...bet I can make life interesting for ya...

10-02-10, 03:50 PM	#13
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	OK!! here goes Admiral.. I am sailing from Brisbane and its July 22nd, 1942. I am still sailing with the Porpoise class so fuel is not so great. LOL, I think they don't care about me, as I never have anything to come back with, I am always coming back dry Thanks Admiral.

10-02-10, 04:11 PM	#14
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	Oops.. Its acutally Aug 14th, 42

10-02-10, 04:12 PM	#15
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	I got a flash traffic update, telling me IJN is resupplying and if I am in the area to Truk I should go there by Aug17th, the problem is, I will be late, probably get there by the 18th or 19th and I don't know if they already despawned