I think Uboat.net is wrong.. (food conversation)

fastfed · 09-20-10, 05:42 PM

I was curious about the food carried on the u-boats and was doing some reading..
Uboat.net has this article

http://www.uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

If you add up the numbers thats almost 14 tons of food.. For something like 60 men..

I thought it was a little high and then looked at MODERN subs, with 100+ men.. They only have about 7 tons of food..

I cannot believe that 60 men would need 14 tons of food for 10 or so weeks, while a modern nuclear sub goes for 4 months with double the men and half of the food..

It makes me wonder how many things are really off when it comes to the facts of history..

Like the book "Iron Coffins"
Everyone here says take it with a grain of salt, that most was made up.. I was expecting people to complain about things like Werner constantly going to 280-290+ meters DAILY in a Type 7 uboat, yet people complain about stories being someone elses..

In any case.....

Abd_von_Mumit · 09-20-10, 05:52 PM

11915 kg, if I'm not wrong - 12 tons.

I don't know if these numbers are correct.

BUT: today technologies of food preservation are much more developed. We crio-treat food, make powder edible after adding water and such miracles, that were rather not widely used during WW2. I think it is quite possible that their food was heavier - held in cans (thicker than ours), wet (preserved in varous kinds of fluids rather than by drying/vacuuming).

Also note that they needed to carry fresh water supply for whole their trip (sic!), while modern subs just "make" fresh water. Thist must have weighted additional tons.

fastfed · 09-20-10, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

11915 kg, if I'm not wrong - 12 tons.

I don't know if these numbers are correct.

BUT: today technologies of food preservation are much more developed. We crio-treat food, make powder edible after adding water and such miracles, that were rather not widely used during WW2. I think it is quite possible that their food was heavier - held in cans (thicker than ours), wet (preserved in varous kinds of fluids rather than by drying/vacuuming).

Also note that they needed to carry fresh water supply for whole their trip (sic!), while modern subs just "make" fresh water. Thist must have weighted additional tons.

WEll Water was not included in the weight that u-boat.net states..

It does mention that there is canned food.. But still. I just cannot believe they had that much for only 10 weeks.. that comes out to about 5-6lbs of food per person, every day.. 5 pounds a food?? Thats a lot! lol

Abd_von_Mumit · 09-20-10, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfed

WEll Water was not included in the weight that u-boat.net states..

It does mention that there is canned food.. But still. I just cannot believe they had that much for only 10 weeks.. that comes out to about 5-6lbs of food per person, every day.. 5 pounds a food?? Thats a lot! lol

Let's try to count it, very roughly of course - 1 day per 1 man:
- 1 loaf of bread: 80 dag,
- a piece of meat: 5 dag,
- a plate of potatoes: 60 dag,
- 2 glasses of milk: 50 dag
Looks like a minimum, weights total 195 dag = 1.95 kg = 4.3 lbs. Not so far from 5 pounds.

09-20-10, 06:24 PM

Being pretty active myself?
I can put down a Wendy's triple cheese, dragged through the garden,
a double cheese same way, the largest fries they have and a large drink, just for lunch.
(I don't eat breakfast)

I snack all day on anything that don't bite me first.

Dinner for me can feed at lest 2 people for a day!

Then snacks till bed time.

So 5 or 6 lbs of food a day for active servicemen,
under stress, is not unusual.

And I only tip the scales at 155 lbs.

(168 lbs when I was in the 82nd AirBorne)

fastfed · 09-20-10, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Being pretty active myself?
I can put down a Wendy's triple cheese, dragged through the garden,
a double cheese same way, the largest fries they have and a large drink, just for lunch.
(I don't eat breakfast)

I snack all day on anything that don't bite me first.

Dinner for me can feed at lest 2 people for a day!

Then snacks till bed time.

So 5 or 6 lbs of food a day for active servicemen,
under stress, is not unusual.

And I only tip the scales at 155 lbs.

(168 lbs when I was in the 82nd AirBorne)

ACtive?? thats just the thing.. Everything I read about these guys, is 90% of the time, it was complete bordum..

JokerOfFate · 09-20-10, 07:11 PM

privateer, you "All-American" then

A friend of mine was in AFSOC

09-20-10, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfed

ACtive?? thats just the thing.. Everything I read about these guys, is 90% of the time, it was complete bordum..

Boredom does not equate to inactivity in the service.
Stress also burns calories in massive quantities.

@Joker,
Yes.
I was an 'All American'.

Some of the best times of my life were spent jumping from perfectly good Aircraft.

Also, some of my worst.

But that was then and this is now.

And I have high regards for the AirForce Special Operations Command members!

JokerOfFate · 09-20-10, 07:30 PM

lol
Would of loved to of joined the AF but my ears go pop

still the USMC was nice.

"Some of the best times of my life were spent jumping from perfectly good Aircraft.

Also, some of my worst.

"
I know how you feel there, you love it but it's a dirty job, just be glad you're home *Hands ice cold beer*

09-20-10, 07:38 PM

I never felt it was a dirty job.
I just could not stand the 'Fake' hard cores.
They damned near got me killed several times!

It was so bad once, I threatened to kill my spotter myself!

After that?
I was done.

Hello growing my hair long and working in a Gas Station!

JokerOfFate · 09-20-10, 07:49 PM

We didn't have "Fake" hardcores, we were in...stupid name...Ai Anbar or something that was nasty... and sandy as well...

I think I have my H.U.M.P around here somewhere.

What! You don't want the beer?

09-20-10, 08:10 PM

I always take the Beer Mate!

My time was in the 80's
Unlisted Middle Eastern areas when we whacked Kadaffi,
Operation Urgent Fury,
Unlisted South American areas,
etc.

JokerOfFate · 09-20-10, 08:30 PM

Are you sure not even a little bit Irish

Well, I've been in it a lot longer then I let on,

Operation Vigilant Resolve
Operation Phantom Fury
Recon
Ai Anbar

JokerOfFate · 09-20-10, 08:45 PM

P.s. What was it like working with the boys from the 22nd MEU

09-20-10, 09:08 PM

Marines and AirBorne never got along while I was in.

They called us 'Bird ShXt' cause we fell from the sky.
We called them 'legs' cause all chickens have them.

Plus on training in landing craft?
We beat them everytime!
(No one told us we were suppose to climb down a net! so we jumped!)

Now the SAS Guys are a different story.

09-20-10, 05:42 PM	#1
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	I think Uboat.net is wrong.. (food conversation) I was curious about the food carried on the u-boats and was doing some reading.. Uboat.net has this article http://www.uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm If you add up the numbers thats almost 14 tons of food.. For something like 60 men.. I thought it was a little high and then looked at MODERN subs, with 100+ men.. They only have about 7 tons of food.. I cannot believe that 60 men would need 14 tons of food for 10 or so weeks, while a modern nuclear sub goes for 4 months with double the men and half of the food.. It makes me wonder how many things are really off when it comes to the facts of history.. Like the book "Iron Coffins" Everyone here says take it with a grain of salt, that most was made up.. I was expecting people to complain about things like Werner constantly going to 280-290+ meters DAILY in a Type 7 uboat, yet people complain about stories being someone elses.. In any case.....

09-20-10, 05:52 PM	#2
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	11915 kg, if I'm not wrong - 12 tons. I don't know if these numbers are correct. BUT: today technologies of food preservation are much more developed. We crio-treat food, make powder edible after adding water and such miracles, that were rather not widely used during WW2. I think it is quite possible that their food was heavier - held in cans (thicker than ours), wet (preserved in varous kinds of fluids rather than by drying/vacuuming). Also note that they needed to carry fresh water supply for whole their trip (sic!), while modern subs just "make" fresh water. Thist must have weighted additional tons. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

09-20-10, 06:24 PM	#5
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Being pretty active myself? I can put down a Wendy's triple cheese, dragged through the garden, a double cheese same way, the largest fries they have and a large drink, just for lunch. (I don't eat breakfast) I snack all day on anything that don't bite me first. Dinner for me can feed at lest 2 people for a day! Then snacks till bed time. So 5 or 6 lbs of food a day for active servicemen, under stress, is not unusual. And I only tip the scales at 155 lbs. (168 lbs when I was in the 82nd AirBorne)

09-20-10, 07:11 PM	#7
JokerOfFate Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 387 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	privateer, you "All-American" then A friend of mine was in AFSOC

09-20-10, 07:30 PM	#9
JokerOfFate Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 387 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	lol Would of loved to of joined the AF but my ears go pop still the USMC was nice. "Some of the best times of my life were spent jumping from perfectly good Aircraft. Also, some of my worst. " I know how you feel there, you love it but it's a dirty job, just be glad you're home Hands ice cold beer

09-20-10, 07:38 PM	#10
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I never felt it was a dirty job. I just could not stand the 'Fake' hard cores. They damned near got me killed several times! It was so bad once, I threatened to kill my spotter myself! After that? I was done. Hello growing my hair long and working in a Gas Station!

09-20-10, 07:49 PM	#11
JokerOfFate Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 387 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	We didn't have "Fake" hardcores, we were in...stupid name...Ai Anbar or something that was nasty... and sandy as well... I think I have my H.U.M.P around here somewhere. What! You don't want the beer?

09-20-10, 08:10 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I always take the Beer Mate! My time was in the 80's Unlisted Middle Eastern areas when we whacked Kadaffi, Operation Urgent Fury, Unlisted South American areas, etc.

09-20-10, 08:30 PM	#13
JokerOfFate Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 387 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Are you sure not even a little bit Irish Well, I've been in it a lot longer then I let on, Operation Vigilant Resolve Operation Phantom Fury Recon Ai Anbar

09-20-10, 08:45 PM	#14
JokerOfFate Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 387 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	P.s. What was it like working with the boys from the 22nd MEU

09-20-10, 09:08 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Marines and AirBorne never got along while I was in. They called us 'Bird ShXt' cause we fell from the sky. We called them 'legs' cause all chickens have them. Plus on training in landing craft? We beat them everytime! (No one told us we were suppose to climb down a net! so we jumped!) Now the SAS Guys are a different story.