Church plans Qur'an burning

Platapus · 07-31-10, 07:43 AM

Wow.

I knew we had nutters in this country, but this really shocks me.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/flo...day/index.html

Quote:

In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

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The Islamic advocacy group Council on American-Islamic Relations called on Muslims and others to host "Share the Quran" dinners to educate the public during the monthlong fast of Ramadan beginning in August. In a news release, the group announced a campaign to give out 100,000 copies of the Quran to local, state and national leaders.

"American Muslims and other people of conscience should support positive educational efforts to prevent the spread of Islamophobia," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper in the release.

The National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest umbrella evangelical group, issued a statement urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions.
"The NAE calls on its members to cultivate relationships of trust and respect with our neighbors of other faiths. God created human beings in his image, and therefore all should be treated with dignity and respect," it said in the statement.

.....the Dove center is also hosting a protest against Gainesville Mayor Craig Lowe, who is openly gay, on Monday at Gainesville's City Hall.

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Book burning in America? Have some sunk that far? What do they really expect to accomplish with this?

I hope the world recognizes that these people do not represent the culture of the United States. I, for one, did not spill my blood in a foreign country to support a culture of book burnings. I know that freedom of expression allows burning books, but it just seems so wrong, hateful, and ineffective.

p.s. One religion calling another religion "deceptive"

mookiemookie · 07-31-10, 07:45 AM

Disgusting.

Onkel Neal · 07-31-10, 07:48 AM

Almost as bad as burning the flag, and that practice has a lot of defenders.

tater · 07-31-10, 07:51 AM

Burning books ain't my thing (I collect them

).

That said, it is freedom of expression. What would really disturb me would not be a few nuts burning books, but the government protecting THAT book out of being PC.

TLAM Strike · 07-31-10, 07:55 AM

I don't think this go far enough, I think they need to burn all religious texts.

Only way to start to replace superstition with science and rational thought..

Platapus · 07-31-10, 07:56 AM

Oh I agree, the Government should not take any stand on this. Just like the government should not take a stand on burning the flag.

I am just sorry that this "church" is so insecure about their own faith that the would need to stoop to the lowest level like this. They would be pitiful if I were not so angered about this.

tater · 07-31-10, 08:12 AM

What was the reaction of the major churches to the Danish cartoons?

At the very least I recall some of them saying that the problem was in fact... blasphemy. That fit well with the generalized Western reaction which was to not print the images the news story was about, then also bend over backwards to throw THOSE nuts a bone and claim that sensitivity trumps freedom of expression.

Not something I'd do (one holy book being pretty much the same as any other to me—If I really needed to start a fire badly and I had to burn books, I's start with the religious stuff

), but it doesn't really get my knickers in a bunch.

Schroeder · 07-31-10, 08:14 AM

This will go a long way in the Islamist's propaganda wars.

How dumb can one get...says the guy from a country that burnt books 75 years ago.....?

Oberon · 07-31-10, 08:18 AM

Children will play...

Skybird · 07-31-10, 08:33 AM

Burning holy books is a very reasonable things in cold witner nights when you are cold and could need a seat near a fire. No other type of book has brought more horror and injustice upon mankind, than holy books.

On this special event in question, there are two ways I think about it in detail.

The first is illustrated by this famous image of Huineng, 6th Chan patriarch, and those who are familiar with the context understand the relevance here:

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The other way to think on the matter, has something to do with this:

http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...AwNzljYjFiNDM=

Stop Islam now, while there still may be time. Since half a century the West delivers monumental advanced investements to islamic demands - but islam does not deliver anything in return, and does not answer on the same terms, but pushes for more special status for itself and minimising the rights of other cultures.

Do not tolerate what does not tolerate you in return, in the same way.
Do not give others those rights that these others want to withhold from you.
Insist on a principle of reciprocity. 50 years of one-sided advanced investement of ours while the other side only always points fingers at us, are more than just thin evidence that we have shown good will. Such hilarious ammount of good will even int he face of totalitarian intolerance could also be called - stupidity, or rejection of reality.

SteamWake · 07-31-10, 08:44 AM

Well it would seem that the orginization has acheived its goal.

Even if not a single book is burned it has A:Gotten a mention in mainstream media and B:Got you guys talking about it.

Mission accomplished.

Subnuts · 07-31-10, 08:47 AM

People who burn books usually end up burning people sometime in the future.

tater · 07-31-10, 09:13 AM

Note that the OP article of course interviews CAIR, an organization that is in fact connected to terrorism, and the Islamic Brotherhood.

krashkart · 07-31-10, 09:15 AM

They should at the very least wait until the dead of winter when the poor are having a hard time keeping warm.

SteamWake · 07-31-10, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krashkart

They should at the very least wait until the dead of winter when the poor are having a hard time keeping warm.

Thinking outside the box.. I like it.

07-31-10, 07:45 AM	#2
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TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I don't think this go far enough, I think they need to burn all religious texts. Only way to start to replace superstition with science and rational thought.. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Oh I agree, the Government should not take any stand on this. Just like the government should not take a stand on burning the flag. I am just sorry that this "church" is so insecure about their own faith that the would need to stoop to the lowest level like this. They would be pitiful if I were not so angered about this. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	This will go a long way in the Islamist's propaganda wars. How dumb can one get...says the guy from a country that burnt books 75 years ago.....? __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

07-31-10, 07:51 AM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Burning books ain't my thing (I collect them ). That said, it is freedom of expression. What would really disturb me would not be a few nuts burning books, but the government protecting THAT book out of being PC.

07-31-10, 08:12 AM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	What was the reaction of the major churches to the Danish cartoons? At the very least I recall some of them saying that the problem was in fact... blasphemy. That fit well with the generalized Western reaction which was to not print the images the news story was about, then also bend over backwards to throw THOSE nuts a bone and claim that sensitivity trumps freedom of expression. Not something I'd do (one holy book being pretty much the same as any other to me—If I really needed to start a fire badly and I had to burn books, I's start with the religious stuff ), but it doesn't really get my knickers in a bunch.

07-31-10, 08:18 AM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Children will play...

07-31-10, 08:33 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Burning holy books is a very reasonable things in cold witner nights when you are cold and could need a seat near a fire. No other type of book has brought more horror and injustice upon mankind, than holy books. On this special event in question, there are two ways I think about it in detail. The first is illustrated by this famous image of Huineng, 6th Chan patriarch, and those who are familiar with the context understand the relevance here: Uploaded with ImageShack.us The other way to think on the matter, has something to do with this: http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...AwNzljYjFiNDM= Stop Islam now, while there still may be time. Since half a century the West delivers monumental advanced investements to islamic demands - but islam does not deliver anything in return, and does not answer on the same terms, but pushes for more special status for itself and minimising the rights of other cultures. Do not tolerate what does not tolerate you in return, in the same way. Do not give others those rights that these others want to withhold from you. Insist on a principle of reciprocity. 50 years of one-sided advanced investement of ours while the other side only always points fingers at us, are more than just thin evidence that we have shown good will. Such hilarious ammount of good will even int he face of totalitarian intolerance could also be called - stupidity, or rejection of reality. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-31-10, 08:44 AM	#11
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well it would seem that the orginization has acheived its goal. Even if not a single book is burned it has A:Gotten a mention in mainstream media and B:Got you guys talking about it. Mission accomplished. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Note that the OP article of course interviews CAIR, an organization that is in fact connected to terrorism, and the Islamic Brotherhood.

07-31-10, 09:15 AM	#14
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	They should at the very least wait until the dead of winter when the poor are having a hard time keeping warm.