Muhammad's ball, or: what Islam has done to the French National Team

[Skybird]

I apologize that this is only for those who understand German, I did not find equivalnet essays in English, but I find this too important and too interesting an explanation for the French drama.

I have indicated in the football threat that I have a problem with one or two German players as well, namely Mesut Özil, and this problem I have with him because of the same reasons that seem to have led to the meltdown in the French team. I refer to intereviews of Özil from 1 week or 10 days ago, and another one several months ago. In the first he said that he will never sing the naional anthem, for he focusses on the recitation of Quran Suras instead and finds it difficult to realise in those 2, 3 minutes that he plays for his - claimed - German home nation. This may not rasie much criticism, since several other players of Islamic and christian faith do not sing the anthem as well and have their own way to focus on the match, and I personally also am no fetishist to sing the anthem. I consider it to be a good motivational thing for players of a National team, though. However, in the other interview I saw him in, he again insisted that he refuses to identitfy himself with his role of playing "for Germany", that time he explained it because to him his Turkish identity goes first. - I therefore want to ask him then why he does not live in Turkey, and why he does not play in the Turkish national team, then? Özil is a very good footballer, a creative player with agility and creativity, no doubt. But still - this is no championship of internationally composed clubs recruiting legionairs, this is a national team, and identification should and could be expected to be part of the job description if playing in such kind of team. - Özil recently affianced with (?) the sister of pop-singer Sarah Connor, but before - that women had to convert to Islam. She said she did it for love. If love is what it is about, one could ask why Özil and /or his family clan for the sake of love could not simply ignore the religious issue alltogether, and "gave love a chance" not before she was willing to convert?

Almost half of the German players have a migration background they write in the press, which makes the German team one of the most multicultural teams at this championship. they are from places like Spain, Marocco, Poland, Turkey, Ghana, Brazil. None of them has left any doubt that they take pride from representing Germany, and that while they also sympathise with their original homeland's teams (isn't that just all to natural?), they now prioritize Germany in their sentiments, without limits, and even when playing against teams from their former homes (like Podolski had to do some years back). Just Mesut Özil, Turkish roots and confessing to be a devout Muslim for whom his religion plays a great role, refuses to do show that ammount of identification with the German national team, both over relgious and ethnic/nationalistic reasons. And that's why I have a problem with him wearing the german dress.

The following two essays point at those French players who incited the revolt in the French team, showing a derogatory, haughty behavior and a voculaburly that is somewhat typical for islamic Herrenmenschen-culture, and all the rebels have one thing in common - they all are original or converted Muslims, showing and expressing a huge ammount of behavioural and verbal contempt for the non-Muslim trainers and team "mates" whom they managed to bully into intimidated passivity instead of these other players (a majority of the team!) speaking out against them, what they easily could have done, if only they would have wanted.

The sources of the essays are a website of the Coptian communiy, the other is a blog where a lady comments on islamic and ME political issues quite intelligently.


http://koptisch.wordpress.com/2010/0...hte/#more-3927

http://www.eussner.net/artikel_2010-06-24_09-55-11.html

[Lord_magerius]

Skybird posting about islam... who'd have thought it...

Skybird posting about islam... who'd have thought it...

Hey its even better, its not only posting about Islam.
Look at the articles, its about all the horrible "black" people
If the jackboot fits, let them wear it.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Hey its even better, its not only posting about Islam.
Look at the articles, its about all the horrible "black" people
If the jackboot fits, let them wear it.

I'm not sure I follow you. As far as I can tell Skybird did not say ONE religion-derogatory or racist thing in this post. He stated only facts.
I, for one, agree with the article 100%: If you became citizen of certain country and are given the honor to represent the country on any filed as part of national team. You should be PROUD of it.

[nikimcbee]

So are there any actual Germans left in Germany, or have they all emigrated to Wisconsin?

[nikimcbee]

So, I have a question. Is Germany overrun with PCness too? Do they use the hyphenated names there, like in the US? IE: African-American, Japanese-American, etc...

A Turkish-German?

[MH]

I wonder why some Muslim ,even successful ones(top players)act so anti west or anti place they live in.
They live in top democracies no one stole their land or forced them to play for France or Germany.
I cant read German does it explain their point of view?
I can somehow understand why Israeli Palestinian wouldn't sing Israeli anthem or celebrate Independence Day(not that i like it)but why it happens in Germany or France?


I guess Allah was with Germany this time 4-1 lol

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So, I have a question. Is Germany overrun with PCness too?

Yes.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So are there any actual Germans left in Germany, or have they all emigrated to Wisconsin?

I don't know nikimcbee, I don't live in Wisconsin. But that cracked me up for some reason.

Question: Would the world be better off or worse off without PC-ness?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So are there any actual Germans left in Germany, or have they all emigrated to Wisconsin?

Maybe the essay I translated in this thread sheds some light on it:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171110

In fact we have a massive brain drain indeed, academically trained specialists leave Germany in greater numbers than ever before, also craftsmen. Uneducated social low-class-members with little or not perspective move in. Unwillingness for mintegration is an issue with muslim immigrants, but very especially with turks - who even get encouraged by their turkish government to reject, to refuse and to resists to integration.

And two healdines from german news today, also give two random impressions.

Policemen wanting to investigate a reported incident in a bar got lured into a trap and were then attaked by a wild mob of over 30 persons age 15-35. Five policemen got seriously wounded, one is in a critcal condition. Yesterday, activists from the left scene attacked a house were Arab immigrants that - rarely enough - tried to express some sympathy with their new home nation by hanging out a german flag from the window, the house was set on fire, anonymous spokesmen claimed that the left cpuld not tolerate such blatant displays of "Germanism" in Germany.

Some days ago, during a multicultural folklore festival in a residential area of a major city, a mob of islamic juveniles and young adults attcked a Jewish dance group during performance, starting to throw stones at them and then ending up with attacking them with clubs and chasing them through the streets.

So, anti-Germanism and islamophile racism and anti-semitism are a phenomenen on constant rise in Germany - because these are just the latest incidents of these kinds. In fact over the past few years, all three type of events has become a more or less frequent, regular phenomenon, always under participation of either the political or anarchistic left, or Muslim racists. The latest statistics report of the German Federal police marks a rise in left poltical violence of 40% over the past year alone, and a decline of 20% in right-winged violence (although the latter still is ona higher level than the first). 30,000 acts of poltical violence has been reproted to the police last year.

In Berlin, in most nights of the week, one or more cars of claimed "rich pigs" are set on fire. For the running year alone the number already is in the three-digit range again.

Some days ago , an essay made a good point, about why the left is so very anti-semitic. The author claimed that in history, there has only been one model of a truly socialist community model that in fact has worked reaonably well. But that model was not run and developed by the Western left, but - how unforgiving! - the Israeli: it's the Kibbuz. And this, the author said, the Western left cannot forgive, so they take revenge by condemning the nation behind the concept. I think he may have some point there. Youn can see the same kind of envy and craving for power in unions when they flatten any intenral opposition or subunions becasue these threaten to undermine the claim for exclusive worker representation by the major union. (German constituional high court has just ruled for the first time ever that unions must accept that subunions that represent only subgroups of an employee group sign their own contracts and treaties with employers - the major resistence from this was not coming from employers, but the major unions who lose power and influence by this sentence).

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So, I have a question. Is Germany overrun with PCness too?

Same as in Britain but we've also got loch ness

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Entire Post - omitted here for brevity but worth a read nonetheless

Sounds like Germany is becoming a bit like LA after the Rodney King verdict. How is the rest of Europe looking? Stateside it's still peaceful enough... Muslims had (and might still have) more to fear from neighborhood lowlifes, depending on where they live. Saw something on TV awhile back about an older Muslim man that had been chased and beaten by a group of teenagers. Looked to be a poorer neighborhood, so there ya go. Gangbangers vs. turbans = bad juju.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Same as in Britain but we've also got loch ness

I'm not sure I follow you. As far as I can tell Skybird did not say ONE religion-derogatory or racist thing in this post. He stated only facts.

I never said Sky said anything, I just noted that he has gone to the crackpot fringe to find views that match his own.

I, for one, agree with the article 100%:

So you think there are too many blacks on the team and its gonna end up with just black players?

If you became citizen of certain country and are given the honor to represent the country on any filed as part of national team. You should be PROUD of it.

Yet the blog slags off french people of french ancestry.
Besides which private and very public differences within teams and between players and staff are pretty normal even at national level.
As for some players not singing the anthem before kick off, look at most teams.

This thread reminds me a Terry Henry story with a racist (black hater) coach. I even followed Henry game and even despite his bad performance in Barca he plays like he don`t care, and that all i can say about the entire team. Nothing.

Send them back to where they came from.