Obama surrenders Arizona territory back to Mexico...

[GoldenRivet]

sort of

http://www.thefoxnation.com/gulf-coa...trip-az-mexico

Arizona needs to secede and raise its own military and handle this.





yet there remains those who will blindly follow the beat of the buffoon's drum.

[Buddahaid]

Uh, remember the Alamo? The what?

I can't help thinking this whole AZ is ground zero business would be moot if it weren't for the drug/gang violence. This get the alien brown out thinking is not new to the U.S. either, it's just more visable in the current insta-info age.

[Blacklight]

FOX News just keeps getting more googlie-mooglie as each day passes.

[krashkart]

The article doesn't really convince me that the title is true. It just tells me that a region of Arizona has become too dangerous for civvies - which, frankly, if that's true then we really need some trained guns on patrol there.

I'd look deeper into this using a wider variety of news sources before settling on anything as being concrete fact. Fox News is only one of those sources, and I think they tend to be sensationalist.


I will admit that Fox News hires some really good looking redheads.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

FOX News just keeps getting more googlie-mooglie as each day passes.

Aside from the source...

i pose a question that some of you will either be unable or unwilling to answer...

ready?

here goes:

"do you feel that when a foreign criminal contingent's violence spills over into the United States, that the United States government should react to such an intrusion?"

yes or no?

Obama seems to think that simply making affected areas of America off limits to American's solves the problem.

I respectfully disagree with the sorry, no good, traitor, SOB.

[krashkart]

^^ Yes. There should be a very public mobilization to show that he's on the ball.

[GoldenRivet]

and he breaks one of the more basic of military rules

Never send a Battalion to do a Division's job

[Weiss Pinguin]

I thought GR was exaggerating, until I opened the link... I think this sums it up:

"... And, it’s shameful that we as the most powerful nation on earth can win wars and liberate countries throughout history yet we can’t even secure our own border."

[mookiemookie]

A fence is a stupid solution to the problem. That's probably the only thing that I have an issue with in that editorial. What do you expect? These drug runner and gangsters are going to say, "Well, we're armed to the teeth and obviously have no problem murdering anyone who gets in our way, but that 10 foot wooden fence....good lord, man, we've got to turn back!"

Other than that, I think we do need the National Guard on the border. This situation is getting completely out of control with regards to the drug violence. It's time for a military presence on our border as well as a comprehensive review of our drug policy from top to bottom - meaning a strong look at decriminalization/legalization. But I think it's got a lot to do with diplomatic pussyfooting around and not rocking the boat with Mexico. They need to be tougher since Mexico is obviously too corrupt or uninterested or incapable of solving the problem on their end.

Arizona needs to secede and raise its own military and handle this.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Reality check on the cost of raising an army...

GDP Arizona: ~200 billion $

GDP Ireland: ~267 billion $

GDP Iran: ~287 B$

So AZ is a little poor compared to piss-ant countries, but they only need to defend a ~300 mile border.

[GoldenRivet]

Well they dont need to raise an army sufficient to repel say... Russia.

They just need to beat out an influx of criminals.

and hell


Unlce sam aint gonna do it. clearly

[tater]

Apparently the AZ Guard (Army) is ~8000 troops. They could likely get more volunteers if they had a force that could not be deployed abroad.

It's pretty bad when Phoenix, population 5 million is second to Mexico City, population 25+ million in kidnapping.

Reality check on the cost of raising an army...

Reality check on the cost of raising an army and losing all federal funding and employment and becoming entirly reliant on local taxesplus having to negociate all new deals all on your lonesome with both the US and Mexico while vainly trying to make them reasonably beneficial to yourself.

They just need to beat out an influx of criminals.

Really? How?
You havn't thought at all have you Rivet, rather like the legislature didn't when they passed that unworkable immigration bill.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

FOX News just keeps getting more googlie-mooglie as each day passes.

Well maybe if the Lib's quit giving them so much material.