[REQ] Ship icons (gray)

pythos · 06-07-10, 08:07 PM

I have an idea. Is there a way all the ship icons can be of a generic shape, and Grey. No more Red for enemy, Blue for Good, and Green for Neutral.

That way we don't automatically know what class the ship is, or what nationality it is, so you have to close in and identify.

Perhaps the same with the sound contacts.

Nausicaa · 06-08-10, 11:18 AM

I second that !

thekamikaze · 06-10-10, 03:25 AM

I'll third that. I think there should also be an icon that indicates that a target is required for a mission objective. Cause Im sick of sinking ships that don't count..

Kopcap · 07-26-10, 12:29 PM

Good time of day.
And you can do whatever the card was clean with no icons on contacts?

BowfinSS287 · 07-26-10, 09:11 PM

pythos why don't you set your game to no map contacts
once you start turning off the player aids, you will have
a much better sim....if thats what working towards
at first your tonnage will go down , but you'll have to
work harder to sink ships.....check out these links

http://www.paulwasserman.net/SHIII/#Step 9: Determine the Target’s Course (WM)

http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...o=file&id=1711

read the file called "Sonar_Tracking.pdf" in 2nd link

THE_MASK · 07-26-10, 09:28 PM

Here is an sh3 mod . Download it and it will give you a guide as what files you need to change .
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...71&postcount=5

SteelViking · 07-26-10, 09:52 PM

Well, I just took a glance around, and I think I found the texture files which are used to render those little symbols(I have seen them before, so I pretty much knew where they were). Here is the good news: It looks like it would be very easy to make them all the same shape(so they would not tell what class it was). Here is the bad news: they all appear white in the image files, which means they are being given color by something, either scripting which one of the UI boys could change or it might be hard coded.

Mind you, I did not spend too much time looking into this, if someone were to dig deeper, they may find I am wrong.

Edit: @ Sober, are you sure that the mechanism used in SHIII for those symbols is the same as SH5?

Royale-Adio · 07-27-10, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelViking

Well, I just took a glance around, and I think I found the texture files which are used to render those little symbols(I have seen them before, so I pretty much knew where they were). Here is the good news: It looks like it would be very easy to make them all the same shape(so they would not tell what class it was). Here is the bad news: they all appear white in the image files, which means they are being given color by something, either scripting which one of the UI boys could change or it might be hard coded.

Mind you, I did not spend too much time looking into this, if someone were to dig deeper, they may find I am wrong.

Edit: @ Sober, are you sure that the mechanism used in SHIII for those symbols is the same as SH5?

I think they are hard coded too. I took a glance at them also, and I saw exactly what you described. Theres the Shapes folder which contains SHP files that, when opened with text, looks like jibberish. It look like HEX, but I'm no expert so I'm not sure.

THE_MASK · 07-27-10, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Royale-Adio

I think they are hard coded too. I took a glance at them also, and I saw exactly what you described. Theres the Shapes folder which contains SHP files that, when opened with text, looks like jibberish. It look like HEX, but I'm no expert so I'm not sure.

The only shp files i have found are dds files ?

Royale-Adio · 07-27-10, 12:58 AM

I meant in the menu folder.

Vanilla · 07-27-10, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelViking

... Here is the bad news: they all appear white in the image files, which means they are being given color by something, either scripting which one of the UI boys could change or it might be hard coded.
...

My very rough guess is that if you give them colour (grey), they will not be coloured anymore, since typically a game engine would look for alpha-chanell to colour it in a particular colour and white just represents where is this alpha-. So if the thing is given a colour - alpha-chanell will be overlayed with the colour and then it doesn't matter what the game does to the alpha. I guess.

Or just remove alpha-chanel.

Vanilla · 07-27-10, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Royale-Adio

I think they are hard coded too. I took a glance at them also, and I saw exactly what you described. Theres the Shapes folder which contains SHP files that, when opened with text, looks like jibberish. It look like HEX, but I'm no expert so I'm not sure.

I looked into the .shp files, that is what I found:
Not sure about the first number, maybe it is a color.

The second number gives you number of dots. I.e. 28 means that there are 28 dots.
The three-numbers rows following are the XYZ coordinates of those dots. Since we are talking about 2d shapes - z is always 0. X and Y are just that - X and Y. So if you take MS Excel or OO Calc and make it to plot XY graph on the coordinates given in the first part of our file - you can roughly see the actual shape coded in the file. Try it for example on the ring.shp file - the name is self-explanatory.

I guess the second part gives you shapes (thickness, maybe color) of the lines between the dots. But I cannot figure out what do the numbers mean.

However even knowing this I just do not undertand how and what to those .shp files are used in the game,

Seeadler · 07-27-10, 02:01 PM

I intend to publish my Shape Viewer in a few days.

I developed this tool in the past for some of my own map mods.
The viewer can display the shapes, export / import to/from OFF so editing of the shapes in others app is also possible.

Vanilla · 07-27-10, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeadler

I intend to publish my Shape Viewer in a few days.

I developed this tool in the past for some of my own map mods.
The viewer can display the shapes, export / import to/from OFF so editing of the shapes in others app is also possible.

Wow! Great news! Thank you so much! Now I don't have to spend my whole night looking into those files.

TheDarkWraith · 08-01-10, 08:05 AM

the color is done by a shader and yes the color can be removed and set to just one color

Here all contacts are set to black in color:

Now trying to take the color away from the contact lines......

06-07-10, 08:07 PM	#1
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	[REQ] Ship icons (gray) I have an idea. Is there a way all the ship icons can be of a generic shape, and Grey. No more Red for enemy, Blue for Good, and Green for Neutral. That way we don't automatically know what class the ship is, or what nationality it is, so you have to close in and identify. Perhaps the same with the sound contacts.

07-26-10, 09:52 PM	#7
SteelViking The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: U.S.A.-East Coast Posts: 1,587 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 4	Well, I just took a glance around, and I think I found the texture files which are used to render those little symbols(I have seen them before, so I pretty much knew where they were). Here is the good news: It looks like it would be very easy to make them all the same shape(so they would not tell what class it was). Here is the bad news: they all appear white in the image files, which means they are being given color by something, either scripting which one of the UI boys could change or it might be hard coded. Mind you, I did not spend too much time looking into this, if someone were to dig deeper, they may find I am wrong. Edit: @ Sober, are you sure that the mechanism used in SHIII for those symbols is the same as SH5? __________________ He sank 198,650 tons....who you ask?....Erich Topp, that's who!

07-27-10, 12:58 AM	#10
Royale-Adio Officer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 238 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 5	I meant in the menu folder. __________________ Lurking In The Dark...

07-27-10, 02:01 PM	#13
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	I intend to publish my Shape Viewer in a few days. I developed this tool in the past for some of my own map mods. The viewer can display the shapes, export / import to/from OFF so editing of the shapes in others app is also possible. __________________ -- Vapor-ware is always easier to sell because there's no limit what it can do!

06-08-10, 11:18 AM	#2
Nausicaa Mate Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 52 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I second that !

06-10-10, 03:25 AM	#3
thekamikaze Nub Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I'll third that. I think there should also be an icon that indicates that a target is required for a mission objective. Cause Im sick of sinking ships that don't count..

07-26-10, 12:29 PM	#4
Kopcap Nub Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4 Downloads: 294 Uploads: 0	Good time of day. And you can do whatever the card was clean with no icons on contacts?

07-26-10, 09:11 PM	#5
BowfinSS287 Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 185 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 0	pythos why don't you set your game to no map contacts once you start turning off the player aids, you will have a much better sim....if thats what working towards at first your tonnage will go down , but you'll have to work harder to sink ships.....check out these links http://www.paulwasserman.net/SHIII/#Step 9: Determine the Target’s Course (WM) http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...o=file&id=1711 read the file called "Sonar_Tracking.pdf" in 2nd link

07-26-10, 09:28 PM	#6
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Here is an sh3 mod . Download it and it will give you a guide as what files you need to change . http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...71&postcount=5

08-01-10, 08:05 AM	#15
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	the color is done by a shader and yes the color can be removed and set to just one color Here all contacts are set to black in color: Now trying to take the color away from the contact lines......