Medals and Promotions

Admiral8Q · 05-17-10, 03:36 PM

I would imagine that promotions give some kind of bonus, but I've never really payed close attention to how it affects the crew.

As for Medals, do these give any kind of bonus like perhaps a morale boost that allows them to gain experience faster?

Just wondering...

Diopos · 05-17-10, 04:37 PM

Imagine that the game was a classical tabletop game.
You would go to paragraph Moral and learn what are the relevant game mechanics and how to implement them.
Compare to what we're suffering nowadays (and not specifically targeted to SH4 or UBI). Your typical manual does not reveal fundamental aspect of the game. Relevant tables and equations are hard coded, some parameters are "moddable" but usually need alot of trial and error to fine tune, etc. Now why all this "secrecy"?
1) Models/mechanics are hilariously simplistic or
2) Models/mechanics are "stolen" from other similar games (sometimes even age old tabletop or miniature games) so there could be copyright or similar issues
3) Models/mechanics are original and/or well developed and the designer/publisher wants to "protect" his intellectual property.

Now which of the above do you think applies in our case?

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Diopos · 05-17-10, 04:39 PM

I just try to spread medals and promotions evenly ....

I promote guys with higher command abilities first.

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Admiral8Q · 05-17-10, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos

I just try to spread medals and promotions evenly ....

I promote guys with higher command abilities first.

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Kind of the same strategy here, but if my deck gunner did really well in the last patrol then I'll give him a medal first, or if I really needed to reload torpedoes quick, then the torpedo men. Basically I tend to role play it after each patrol. I was just wondering if it actually does anything other than add flavour to the game.

I guess no one knows then. I'll go with promotions add command ability and medals add experience growth.

Boilerman_010 · 05-20-10, 08:40 PM

Wow, it's been a while since I have posted on here. I do not know how the medlas effect the crew. I award based on performance. That is the way I have done it. Like you, if an AA gunner shows excellent performance, then I would award him with a medal. Those wounded recieve wounded medals, and so on. Low rank, or high, if they've earned it, they get it.

Admiral8Q · 05-21-10, 04:33 AM

Boilerman, that is the way I've been doing it. A few patrols back, I was in the USS Perch, a porpoise class. I was badly damaged by planes and sinking in the aft if I submerged. So I manned the AA gun, told him to fire at will, I maneuvered, and fought it out with the next few planes. None were shot down (It's TMO) but we managed to fight them off. My AA gunner has 100% skill now and I was sure to give him a medal when we got back to port

I didn't even have to load. I rarely do, only if I die which has only happened once in this campaign with the super duper destroyer, but that's anouther story...

Boilerman_010 · 06-10-10, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral8Q

Boilerman, that is the way I've been doing it. A few patrols back, I was in the USS Perch, a porpoise class. I was badly damaged by planes and sinking in the aft if I submerged. So I manned the AA gun, told him to fire at will, I maneuvered, and fought it out with the next few planes. None were shot down (It's TMO) but we managed to fight them off. My AA gunner has 100% skill now and I was sure to give him a medal when we got back to port

I didn't even have to load. I rarely do, only if I die which has only happened once in this campaign with the super duper destroyer, but that's anouther story...

In the service, they sometimes do the opposite. Just because someone was a 3rd, or second class, and they went way above and beyond, some wouldn't award them with anything higher than a NAM. That being some felt as their rank wasn't high enough to do so (maybe they didn't want a junior person with a higher award then they). I feel that robs folks of something that they deserved, and the sailor, soldier should be awarded what he earned, based on what they achieved, and not because they are a lower rank, therefore they shouldn't receive a higher medal.

Havan_IronOak · 12-27-14, 03:27 PM

I wanted to verify a few things as to U-Boat crew management...

As a test, I took a save file and promoted the same Matrosmann Oberfreiter (3) to Bootsmannmaat (4) and chose each of the various specialties.
Here were my resulting skill increases

Promotion Elec Mech Guns Watch
Engines 20 20 00 00
Sensors 20 00 00 20
Command 10 20 00 20
Torpedo 00 20 20 00
Gunnery 00 10 20 10
Watch-K 00 10 10 20

As part of the testing I tried awarding several of the medals...
No medal changed ANY of the stats on the crewman's cards as far as I can tell. No increased efficiency, no additional experience. Course everyone is on shore-leave so morale is great.

Based on the above, I'm guessing that the Key Skills, by compartment, by priority are :
Torpedo Rooms: Mechanical, Guns
Engine Room: Mechanical, Electric
Radio Room: Electric, Watch-keeping
Command Room: Mechanical, Watch-keeping, Electric
Watch:Watch-keeping, Mechanical, Guns
Guns:Guns
Damage Control:Mechanical - Depends on what's damaged

tohowalk · 12-27-14, 04:44 PM

I have seen a CPO promoted to Master Chief suddenly gain a new ability with the promotion, same with an Ensign promoted to LJG. Nothing from awarding medals though.

merc4ulfate · 12-28-14, 03:05 PM

Promotions will increase ability but medals are simply eye candy and no affect on crew merit.

fireftr18 · 12-28-14, 08:07 PM

Promotions increase all skills, with a greater increase with the particular skill. Efficiency increases also. A medal is supposed to give a small increase with the particular skill, and boost morale.

Crannogman · 01-01-15, 02:03 PM

So far I've only been able to promote lower ranks. I give medals compartment head preferentially (because efficiency trickles down), and they do seem to boost that guy's morale a bit. I rarely consider the tropedomen's efficiency to be particularly important, since I'm generally not trying to reload fish during an engagement when time counts. Engineers, watchmen, sonar/radarmen, and gunners seem to be the places to concentrate skill/efficiency

05-17-10, 03:36 PM	#1
Admiral8Q Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada Posts: 1,077 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Medals and Promotions I would imagine that promotions give some kind of bonus, but I've never really payed close attention to how it affects the crew. As for Medals, do these give any kind of bonus like perhaps a morale boost that allows them to gain experience faster? Just wondering... __________________

05-17-10, 04:37 PM	#2
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Imagine that the game was a classical tabletop game. You would go to paragraph Moral and learn what are the relevant game mechanics and how to implement them. Compare to what we're suffering nowadays (and not specifically targeted to SH4 or UBI). Your typical manual does not reveal fundamental aspect of the game. Relevant tables and equations are hard coded, some parameters are "moddable" but usually need alot of trial and error to fine tune, etc. Now why all this "secrecy"? 1) Models/mechanics are hilariously simplistic or 2) Models/mechanics are "stolen" from other similar games (sometimes even age old tabletop or miniature games) so there could be copyright or similar issues 3) Models/mechanics are original and/or well developed and the designer/publisher wants to "protect" his intellectual property. Now which of the above do you think applies in our case? . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

05-17-10, 04:39 PM	#3
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I just try to spread medals and promotions evenly .... I promote guys with higher command abilities first. . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

05-20-10, 08:40 PM	#5
Boilerman_010 Nub Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Wow, it's been a while since I have posted on here. I do not know how the medlas effect the crew. I award based on performance. That is the way I have done it. Like you, if an AA gunner shows excellent performance, then I would award him with a medal. Those wounded recieve wounded medals, and so on. Low rank, or high, if they've earned it, they get it. __________________ "Listen for the footsteps of those who have gone before you. They speak to you of honor and the importance of duty. They remind you of your own traditions." Casper W. Weinberger

05-21-10, 04:33 AM	#6
Admiral8Q Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada Posts: 1,077 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Boilerman, that is the way I've been doing it. A few patrols back, I was in the USS Perch, a porpoise class. I was badly damaged by planes and sinking in the aft if I submerged. So I manned the AA gun, told him to fire at will, I maneuvered, and fought it out with the next few planes. None were shot down (It's TMO) but we managed to fight them off. My AA gunner has 100% skill now and I was sure to give him a medal when we got back to port I didn't even have to load. I rarely do, only if I die which has only happened once in this campaign with the super duper destroyer, but that's anouther story... __________________

12-27-14, 03:27 PM	#8
Havan_IronOak Navy Dude Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 175 Downloads: 233 Uploads: 0	Some empirical results... I wanted to verify a few things as to U-Boat crew management... As a test, I took a save file and promoted the same Matrosmann Oberfreiter (3) to Bootsmannmaat (4) and chose each of the various specialties. Here were my resulting skill increases Promotion Elec Mech Guns Watch Engines 20 20 00 00 Sensors 20 00 00 20 Command 10 20 00 20 Torpedo 00 20 20 00 Gunnery 00 10 20 10 Watch-K 00 10 10 20 As part of the testing I tried awarding several of the medals... No medal changed ANY of the stats on the crewman's cards as far as I can tell. No increased efficiency, no additional experience. Course everyone is on shore-leave so morale is great. Based on the above, I'm guessing that the Key Skills, by compartment, by priority are : Torpedo Rooms: Mechanical, Guns Engine Room: Mechanical, Electric Radio Room: Electric, Watch-keeping Command Room: Mechanical, Watch-keeping, Electric Watch:Watch-keeping, Mechanical, Guns Guns:Guns Damage Control:Mechanical - Depends on what's damaged __________________ If I can't be a good example, I'll be a glaring warning! AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight-Core Processor, 3700 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s) Windows 10 Home Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB NVidia RTX2070 16 Gig

12-27-14, 04:44 PM	#9
tohowalk Watch Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	I have seen a CPO promoted to Master Chief suddenly gain a new ability with the promotion, same with an Ensign promoted to LJG. Nothing from awarding medals though.

12-28-14, 03:05 PM	#10
merc4ulfate DILLIGAF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: florida Posts: 2,058 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	Promotions will increase ability but medals are simply eye candy and no affect on crew merit. __________________ Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is. ~Isaac Asimov~ Mercfulfate 将補日本帝國海軍

12-28-14, 08:07 PM	#11
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Promotions increase all skills, with a greater increase with the particular skill. Efficiency increases also. A medal is supposed to give a small increase with the particular skill, and boost morale. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

01-01-15, 02:03 PM	#12
Crannogman Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 343 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	So far I've only been able to promote lower ranks. I give medals compartment head preferentially (because efficiency trickles down), and they do seem to boost that guy's morale a bit. I rarely consider the tropedomen's efficiency to be particularly important, since I'm generally not trying to reload fish during an engagement when time counts. Engineers, watchmen, sonar/radarmen, and gunners seem to be the places to concentrate skill/efficiency