I don't want a patch #3 at this point - I do want the SDK for the game though!!

Let's face it... Ubisoft is a joke at this point. They even had extra time to fix and address several crucial issues in SH5 and patch #2 didn't even come close to delivering.

At this point I think we should be given the SDK for the game instead of any future failures and disappointment. Why is it that Bethesda has the balls to release the SDK with their biggest selling games like Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3, but UBI won't release the SDK with any of their game titles?

Furthermore, this is most likely the last Silent Hunter game they will ever release. Their sales for SH5 were way below what they were hoping for. They couldn't even give this abysmal piece of trash away at this point.

Releasing the SDK for the game wouldn't make a difference to them. The engine for the game is dated and if they ever did decide to make a SH6 they would need a brand new engine to support it. They would have to push the envelope on graphics and immersion like they did with SH3 to get any serious attention/buyers. SH3 - SH5 is too much of the same with only a few differences. The sad part is that SH3 (the first game built on this engine) is the better version of all three.

Instead of petitioning for patches and making wish lists for SH5, we should be demanding for the SDK. At least the mod community would have an easier time achieving the goals that most of us are looking for. They've got to have the tools to be able to get it done though. Right now they are working with forks when they should be working with wrenches.

SDK - Software Development Kit *aka* All the tools needed to build, tweak, and improve the game.

[danlisa]

The licensed SDK costs $12500. Start saving.

You will NEVER get the SDK by other means. Even if you did, didn't hold the license and released content based on that code, you will end up in court.

The developers of the SDK do not mess about. This much we know.

P.S The difference here is that Bethesda created their own SDK and can do with it as they please. UBI did not, they bought it.

[Faamecanic]

Something the modders here have been asking for since SH 3 since even then UBI released a half finished POS. Not gonna happen.

[krashkart]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119555

Hasn't happened yet. No such thing as charity in that massive construct. As long as there is the slightest possibility of making more money from the series, there will never be an SDK for us to tinker with.

[danlisa]

SH3 & SH4 were built using Kashmir (I think, a bit rusty on that). I believe that was an 'in house' tool created by one of the developers. They could have released that if they wanted.

SH5 is a purchased SDK system and UBI cannot distribute it. You want it, you buy it.

[krashkart]

I stand corrected on two points.

[SabreHawk]

I'd love to see this SDK thing too, but as we have seen in the past UBI still has not learned from the extreme success of the MSFS series.
If they would have the SH series could have blossomed into sooooo much more than the sum of it's parts and made them more money than they could imagine. Just as the MSFS series has for microsoft.

A closed archetecture is what nearly sent Apple down the tube, while Steve's counterpart made himself the wealthiest software giant in the industry.

[Faamecanic]

Personally Im FINE with all the major publishers going to selling A.D.D kiddie console games only.

I think that will then open the market once again to small dev houses making game programs becuase the Devs LOVE the subject matter, and love to put it in software code. NOT because all they want is a fat bottom line (this is leveled at EA as well as UBI)

Remember back in the early 80's ATARI was all about making games for the ATARI 6800, and Coleco was all about Coleco vision.... but yet there were fantastic games coming out for the IBM 8086.

Again if demand is there...someone will fill the gap.

[schlechter pfennig]

Originally Posted by danlisa

The licensed SDK costs $12500. Start saving.

That's twelve thousand, five hundred, right?

Not as bad as I'd've expected, and almost enough for me to consider taking out a second mortgage and buy it, just so we can make SH5 what it could have been and should have been.

[aergistal]

Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

That's twelve thousand, five hundred, right?

Not as bad as I'd've expected, and almost enough for me to consider taking out a second mortgage and buy it, just so we can make SH5 what it could have been and should have been.

Or having 12.500 users donate 1$

[Laffertytig]

$12500 for the sdk which is the source code right? i find it very hard to believe it would be that cheap. i thought it wouldve been more like $125000!

[copper01]

If we all give Subsim 20.00 subsim could buy it Right ?

[aergistal]

Maybe the founder of the site could administrate the fund. Make an additional act to use the money for the sole purpose of buying the software. Run it on a dedicated server and let people have server time trough vnc.

But would this really help? danlisa, where did you come up with that info?

Searching for Kashmir on the net gets me to some "software for making landscape CG or amuzing 3D maps." See? The collisions are feature not a bug. They are there for entertainment purposes.

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Laffertytig

$12500 for the sdk which is the source code right?

That buys you the license to use the Tools that the UBI devs used to create the GR2 files in SH5. A knowledge of C & C++ coding is required to create a compiler/editor. These GR2 files are the only items in SH5 that are locked to modders. They contain all models, nodes, animations, everything etc.....

Interested? Check here: http://www.radgametools.com/granny.html

[Takao]

Given the the effort Ubi put into SHV and patches, it should be $12.50