Another airbus packs it in...

SteamWake · 05-12-10, 12:17 PM

A horrific air crash of an A330 with one miracolus sole survivor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/...ya_plane_crash

HunterICX · 05-12-10, 12:35 PM

Yeah, its on the Dutch News all day now,

shocking is that the Airbus is less then a year old.

HunterICX

SteamWake · 05-12-10, 12:49 PM

This is like the fourth event involving a 330

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a330.htm

gimpy117 · 05-12-10, 01:13 PM

Well at least we still have Boeing

buy American anybody?

Schroeder · 05-12-10, 01:25 PM

How about we wait for the result of the investigation before we blame it entirely on the plane.

SteamWake · 05-12-10, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

How about we wait for the result of the investigation before we blame it entirely on the plane.

It was just an observation I am not implying anything. Still not a great track record for a 'state of the art' aircraft.

Torvald Von Mansee · 05-12-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

How about we wait for the result of the investigation before we blame it entirely on the plane.

That sounds like Eurotalk to me!!!

GoldenRivet · 05-12-10, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

How about we wait for the result of the investigation before we blame it entirely on the plane.

I agree

but one must admit... the Airbus has had some interesting "anomalies" in it's history

One airbus pilot i know told me that its weird to him - it feels as if the airplane's computers must take a second or two determining altitude, airspeed, angle of attack etc in order to "approve" of every little control input you make.

im not going to outright blame the airplane here at least not yet... as it is rarely their fault.

but im also interested to know what the data stream of messages from the ACARS aboard that Air France Airbus were all about

IMHO - a lot of modern aircraft have way too many computers and wiring bundles and electric motors between the pilot and the control surface he is attempting to deflect.

One thing i love about cable control transport category aircraft... you need to move an aileron or an elevator and the thing is going to move - right now. Takes a bit of arm strength... but it works, and there is not a lot that can fail between you and the control surface.

Schroeder · 05-12-10, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

One thing i love about cable control transport category aircraft... you need to move an aileron or an elevator and the thing is going to move - right now. Takes a bit of arm strength... but it works, and there is not a lot that can fail between you and the control surface.

I guess that's not really an option on a large jet.

krashkart · 05-12-10, 05:10 PM

Hrm, y'know the modders could have prevented that crash.

Oberon · 05-12-10, 05:32 PM

My cousin mentioned a few rumblings about possible faulty ILS, bad ATC directions and a low sun which may or may not have been factors in this outcome. It looks to be a nose down impact apparently, so even more miraculous that kid survived...I feel for him though, that's going to haunt him for a looooong time.

GoldenRivet · 05-12-10, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I guess that's not really an option on a large jet.

Very large one... you would need hydraulic boost. sort of like power steering.

I would say any aircraft up to about 65-75,000 lbs give or take should be able to be hand flown with cables and pulleys

of course it also depends quite heavily on the airspeed

I have never been a fan of "fly by wire" control systems.

so many bundles and computers and motors in the system. Im sure there is a level of redundancy - but if one chip on one circuit board gets overheated or exposed to severe turbulence and loses connection or whatever the case may be... you could theoretically have a hellish domino effect on your hands

Oberon · 05-12-10, 05:42 PM

Amen GR, I feel like that about planes and cars, increased electronic integration can have its advantages, yes, but not without the increased risk of an electronic failure. There should not be such a great reliance on electrical based systems over manual based systems, there should always be a standard manual backup that is fully independent of the electronic equipment (By electronic equipment, I mean computers of course).

Weiss Pinguin · 05-12-10, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

so many bundles and computers and motors in the system. Im sure there is a level of redundancy - but if one chip on one circuit board gets overheated or exposed to severe turbulence and loses connection or whatever the case may be... you could theoretically have a hellish domino effect on your hands

That's usually why they have several back-up systems just like that

But I know what you're saying.

GoldenRivet · 05-12-10, 06:15 PM

Well one thing i think is for sure... when they drop off the last great state of the art high tech computerized airliner at the bone yard.

they are going to fly one of these in to pick the ferry crew up and bring them back home

Classy, Sexy, Rugged, Capable and built to last like the pyramids...

they just dont build them like they used to

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05-12-10, 05:32 PM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	My cousin mentioned a few rumblings about possible faulty ILS, bad ATC directions and a low sun which may or may not have been factors in this outcome. It looks to be a nose down impact apparently, so even more miraculous that kid survived...I feel for him though, that's going to haunt him for a looooong time.

05-12-10, 05:42 PM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Amen GR, I feel like that about planes and cars, increased electronic integration can have its advantages, yes, but not without the increased risk of an electronic failure. There should not be such a great reliance on electrical based systems over manual based systems, there should always be a standard manual backup that is fully independent of the electronic equipment (By electronic equipment, I mean computers of course).

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Well one thing i think is for sure... when they drop off the last great state of the art high tech computerized airliner at the bone yard. they are going to fly one of these in to pick the ferry crew up and bring them back home Classy, Sexy, Rugged, Capable and built to last like the pyramids... they just dont build them like they used to __________________