Where is the compassion?

SteamWake · 04-24-10, 11:02 AM

This story actually brings a tear to my eyes...

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A heroic homeless man, stabbed after saving a Queens woman from a knife-wielding attacker, lay dying in a pool of blood for more than an hour as nearly 25 people indifferently strolled past him, a shocking surveillance video obtained by the New York Post reveals.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/24...ng-nyc-street/

Chad · 04-24-10, 11:19 AM

What the hell? I think each person who shook, looked at, and even TOOK a picture of him should be thrown in jail for assisted murder. Obviously they didn't do anything to help him, so they're assisting.

No one deserves that after helping someone. What I want to know is where did the woman go after the attack?

Torvald Von Mansee · 04-24-10, 11:25 AM

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Well, that just reinforces my general contempt for the masses.

Platapus · 04-24-10, 02:26 PM

This has happened many times in the past. One of the problems with crowds is that everyone thinks that someone else is/will help.

Very sad story.

That and the fear of aids makes a bleeding victim a very risky save.

Sailor Steve · 04-24-10, 02:33 PM

I'm old enough to remember the case of Kitty Genovese.
http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Facul.../gansberg.html

Today it's called the 'Genovese Syndrome' - "I didn't want to get involved".

It's tragic that the one man in this case who was willing to get involved had to die because of the others who weren't.

SteamWake · 04-24-10, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

This has happened many times in the past. One of the problems with crowds is that everyone thinks that someone else is/will help.

Very sad story.

That and the fear of aids makes a bleeding victim a very risky save.

They evidently have a fear of using a cell phone for calling for help as well.

Platapus · 04-24-10, 02:57 PM

When I was teaching First Responders, we used to tell them, not to call out "will someone call 911" for no one would.

We used to teach them to pick someone out of the crowd and ask them " Will YOU call 911" you get much better response.

The American Red Cross, among others, have conducted studies on "crowd mentality" vs personal "mentality" People act differently in a crowd.

Sailor Steve · 04-24-10, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

We used to teach them to pick someone out of the crowd and ask them " Will YOU call 911" you get much better response.

If I had my hands full trying to help the guy or was going to chase down the perp, I wouldn't ask; I'd point at someone and say "YOU! CALL 911 NOW!"

04-24-10, 11:50 PM

There is no profit-making aspect in compassion making it very anti-American.

Castout · 04-25-10, 02:43 AM

If he didn't deserve heaven I don't know if anybody else does . . .

Rest in peace you brave soul, dear brother! You'll be in my thoughts and prayer tonight!

You deserved better and you'll be in a much better place soon enough.

antikristuseke · 04-25-10, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad

What the hell? I think each person who shook, looked at, and even TOOK a picture of him should be thrown in jail for assisted murder. Obviously they didn't do anything to help him, so they're assisting.

No one deserves that after helping someone. What I want to know is where did the woman go after the attack?

Not taking action to help is not the same as assisting him to die, now is it?

Jimbuna · 04-25-10, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

They evidently have a fear of using a cell phone for calling for help as well.

Precisely my thoughts

As already posted...far better if someone attending points out an individual ghoul or zombie (our talk for those who stand idly by simply gazing) and in an assertive tone gives a clear instruction to them telling them what you require them to do.

Skybird · 04-25-10, 08:12 AM

As Sailor Steve already pointed out, Kitty Genovese is a case which today is mentioned in social spoychology classes in first semesters at university, and gets a chapter in every general teaching book on social psychology. Unfortunately, it is not the only such case. And if you read the papers carefully, you will not pass a single week without several such stories being mentioned.

Such behaviour of bystanders is disgusting, but nothing new on the world of social research. I personally have learned one lesson in my life: the more people are around, the less are the chances that I could get help from them if I need some. I also do not wait for, or expect, such help anymore.

Linked to this socialpsychologic phenomenen is that of "Gaffer": disaster tourists who even interfere with rescuing services and block the traffic in order to watch what is going on and take pictures. I would put such behavior under severe penalty, it is causing much problems all the time, and puts people's lives at risk. Elendes sensationsgeiles Pack. They better should sit at home and watch Big Brother.

Sailor Steve again is right where he sais that if you want to engage in mpotivating others to help, you have to individually confront single persons, and doing so in a commanding, I would even recommend: intimidating, manner. As long as people hide in a crowd, they will carry on to do just that: hide in the crowd. OPick them out individually, expose them as individuals to their very own attention, so that they realise they are not part of a crowd, but are individual people who are personally and individually connected to what is going on. that is your only chance to get them doing something useful. You will noite that the police gives you comparable advice in case of you coming into a situation of some thugs mobbing or attacking a victim on the street, or in a train: do not attack the attackers all by yourself, hoping you set an example by that that will motivate others to follow you - chnaces are that you will find yourself being left alone. Instead directly and demandingly approach individual people and command them to get personally engaged, by calling the police or pulling the meegency brake or giving first aid or whatever.

NEVER trust in groups and crowds, NEVER. Not only intelligence and reasonability is inverse proportional to group size (the greater the group, the less sign of intelligent life there is), but the motivation to engage in own action is inverse-proportional to group size as well.

Exceptions just confirm the general rule.

04-25-10, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

There is no profit-making aspect in compassion making it very anti-American.

Oh seriously...An infraction for this?! I thought I'd get it for the church burning - comment but no, this!?

What's the problem with thinking things from a profit angle? If compassion was more profitable then wouldn't that make compassion an even better thing then it is today? Pfft...

Dowly · 04-25-10, 12:36 PM

Relax, like the infractions even work. (seriously, what's the point of them?

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04-24-10, 11:19 AM	#2
Chad ACE Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,274 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	What the hell? I think each person who shook, looked at, and even TOOK a picture of him should be thrown in jail for assisted murder. Obviously they didn't do anything to help him, so they're assisting. No one deserves that after helping someone. What I want to know is where did the woman go after the attack? __________________

04-24-10, 11:25 AM	#3
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	... Well, that just reinforces my general contempt for the masses. __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

04-24-10, 02:26 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	This has happened many times in the past. One of the problems with crowds is that everyone thinks that someone else is/will help. Very sad story. That and the fear of aids makes a bleeding victim a very risky save. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-24-10, 02:33 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm old enough to remember the case of Kitty Genovese. http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Facul.../gansberg.html Today it's called the 'Genovese Syndrome' - "I didn't want to get involved". It's tragic that the one man in this case who was willing to get involved had to die because of the others who weren't. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-24-10, 02:57 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	When I was teaching First Responders, we used to tell them, not to call out "will someone call 911" for no one would. We used to teach them to pick someone out of the crowd and ask them " Will YOU call 911" you get much better response. The American Red Cross, among others, have conducted studies on "crowd mentality" vs personal "mentality" People act differently in a crowd. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-24-10, 11:50 PM	#9
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There is no profit-making aspect in compassion making it very anti-American.
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04-25-10, 02:43 AM	#10
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	If he didn't deserve heaven I don't know if anybody else does . . . Rest in peace you brave soul, dear brother! You'll be in my thoughts and prayer tonight! You deserved better and you'll be in a much better place soon enough. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

04-25-10, 08:12 AM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As Sailor Steve already pointed out, Kitty Genovese is a case which today is mentioned in social spoychology classes in first semesters at university, and gets a chapter in every general teaching book on social psychology. Unfortunately, it is not the only such case. And if you read the papers carefully, you will not pass a single week without several such stories being mentioned. Such behaviour of bystanders is disgusting, but nothing new on the world of social research. I personally have learned one lesson in my life: the more people are around, the less are the chances that I could get help from them if I need some. I also do not wait for, or expect, such help anymore. Linked to this socialpsychologic phenomenen is that of "Gaffer": disaster tourists who even interfere with rescuing services and block the traffic in order to watch what is going on and take pictures. I would put such behavior under severe penalty, it is causing much problems all the time, and puts people's lives at risk. Elendes sensationsgeiles Pack. They better should sit at home and watch Big Brother. Sailor Steve again is right where he sais that if you want to engage in mpotivating others to help, you have to individually confront single persons, and doing so in a commanding, I would even recommend: intimidating, manner. As long as people hide in a crowd, they will carry on to do just that: hide in the crowd. OPick them out individually, expose them as individuals to their very own attention, so that they realise they are not part of a crowd, but are individual people who are personally and individually connected to what is going on. that is your only chance to get them doing something useful. You will noite that the police gives you comparable advice in case of you coming into a situation of some thugs mobbing or attacking a victim on the street, or in a train: do not attack the attackers all by yourself, hoping you set an example by that that will motivate others to follow you - chnaces are that you will find yourself being left alone. Instead directly and demandingly approach individual people and command them to get personally engaged, by calling the police or pulling the meegency brake or giving first aid or whatever. NEVER trust in groups and crowds, NEVER. Not only intelligence and reasonability is inverse proportional to group size (the greater the group, the less sign of intelligent life there is), but the motivation to engage in own action is inverse-proportional to group size as well. Exceptions just confirm the general rule. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-25-10, 12:36 PM	#15
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Relax, like the infractions even work. (seriously, what's the point of them? )